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Old 11-10-2019, 05:29 PM
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My dad and I just bought a 2000 20ft nautico cat. Figured I'd give back to the community as we get this thing back on the water. This site has given us so much information and I enjoy scrolling through projects for ideas and whatnot. Havent posted much of anything so bear with me. Open to ideas and suggestions as well. We are in New Symrna Beach so most of our outings will be offshore, trolling in the stream out of Ponce Inlet and Cape Canveral.

Supposedly floor was redone in '14, and has been sitting like this since. Gas tanks dated '06. T top seems to be un-used since installed. From looking at other nautico's a fish box has been added upfront as well as livewell and enclosed the splashwell vs a door. Boat needs power, wiring work, rubrail, and would like to do some type of non-skid. Thinking about the awlgrip with griptex for the deck. As for repower, thinking a pair of used 115 4 strokes. Suzuki dealer said 115s were lowest hp with counter rotating available. Not sure about other manufacturers. Maybe someone can chime in.

Ill do my best to keep post updated. Hopefully someone will find this thread usable. Also apparently need 10 posts to post pictures so will add those as soon as possible.
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I would be concerned with weight on Twin 115/s and suggest you fill a couple of 55 gallon drums on the stern at the dock to see if your transom lip, scuppers and tunnel top does not get too low with a couple of guys in the rear wanting to drown the motors, keep floors wet and create a lot of tunnel sneeze. Most leader/nautico 19's that I have seen were set up with single 90-115, but I would go with twins, but twin 115's sounds like more than ample power, and a lot of weight. Max hp for the heavier seacat 21 is T90, as another example.

Counter roatating is not a big plus on a cat, so I would consider a pair of lighter T75-90's, Not sure if you have controls that will work with new twins, but I suggest you look at twin Merc 4 strokes to get a newer design that will save you about 150 lbs on your transom and some dough. I have had suzy 115's on a Seacat 22, and I thought they were heavy for that hull.

Gas tank capacity is another issue with larger motors as the T115's will require about 120 gallons, which again is a lot of weightfor the 20 foot cat imo.

And if others are putting LW and fish boxes near the bow, rear, engine weight may be why.
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Thanks for the input. I orginally had pictures to go with the discription so i am sorry for the confusion but the livewell is behind console not up front like the fish box. Although now that I think about it with that thing filled up i could see how a couple guys back there with the weight of heavier 115s could create an issue. The last thing I'd want is to regret the whole repower. As of now there are no controls on the boat. So will be starting from scratch.
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Thanks for the input. I orginally had pictures to go with the discription so i am sorry for the confusion but the livewell is behind console not up front like the fish box. Although now that I think about it with that thing filled up i could see how a couple guys back there with the weight of heavier 115s could create an issue. The last thing I'd want is to regret the whole repower. As of now there are no controls on the boat. So will be starting from scratch.

Is it the 20, or the 19? with no pulpit?
3 batteries in the console for twins will probably be better than in the back. If you don't use live bait, I would replace it with a LP for a cooler and 4 rods to get more space in the rear.
I love suzies but I think the newer generation Merc 4 strokes are a better lighter engine. Try to keep the small cat as light as possible. Just 300 lbs can cost you 10% on fuel economy and speed.If its the 19 a pair of 75's will be enough as you are not going to cruise much over 25 in 2' chop in a small 19-20 cat, Strongly recommend Permatrims to extend your footprint.
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From your description, I believe you have the Nautico 20, not the Seagull by Nautico 19. The Nautico 20 came with twin 70 four stroke Suzuki's in the 2000 era, a walk through transom and is a wood cored skiff style hull with no inner liner. The Seagull by Nautico 19 is a composite boat and came with an inner liner, with in floor storage and a single 115 or 130. If you have the Nautico 20, make sure you check the transom to make sure it is dry and solid...they were known to have wet transoms that needed replacement. You have to have a solid transom before you can start to look at hanging any motors on there. Once you determine the transom is solid, I would launch the boat if possible. Have 2-4 guys with you and some tubs that can be filled with water....fill the tubs and place them as close to the transom as you can. Have the 2-4 guys walk around the deck, front to rear, side to side, all on one side, etc.....that will give you an idea of how much weight you can hang off the back. Salt water weighs roughly 8.6 lbs per gallon, fresh water is roughly 8.4 lbs per gallon.....so you should be able to measure and get a pretty accurate accounting of the weight.

Living where you do and the capabilities of that boat, you won't need that much gas.....90 gallons will be more than you could ever go through in a weekend. More like 20-30 gallons will be a normal trip for you. I agree with the PermaTrims....well worth it for that hull.
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Great hull i had 2 of the 19 version with a single. The one had a 540lb engine and i felt that it was to much weight and closed the tunnel up to much. Even with the heavy engine 4 people could stand in the back and no water would come in. It was the procate version and i wish i could own one again with a suzuki 175 or similar engine
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This boat has no inner liner. From what I gathered it was made in Mexico and came with twins. It clearly has had twins on it before. The previous owner had floor and transom redone with an invoice for 8k worth of work (includes other things, painted hull, fishbox, enclose transom) so boat itself is solid. Never been around cats, so theres obviously some learning to be had for me. And after the input and some research it seems like 90s would be the way to go although convincing my dad not to go with 115s maybe the hard part.
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I wouldn't be hung up on the hp as much as the weight. I haven't looked them up lately, but I would check the weight of the Etec 90 and 115's (Etec 90 is offered counter rotating) and the weight of the Suzuki, Yamaha and Mercury 90 and 115's......let the weight, not HP, be the deciding factor between which of those motors you go with. I will tell you that I had Etec 90's on my Seacat SL1 (21') and they made it jump right up on plane and cruised easily...they were all I needed. I don't know how the four stroke 90 or 115 compare to the Etec 90, but they were strong little motors.
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Originally Posted by ashorty View Post
This boat has no inner liner. From what I gathered it was made in Mexico and came with twins. It clearly has had twins on it before. The previous owner had floor and transom redone with an invoice for 8k worth of work (includes other things, painted hull, fishbox, enclose transom) so boat itself is solid. Never been around cats, so theres obviously some learning to be had for me. And after the input and some research it seems like 90s would be the way to go although convincing my dad not to go with 115s maybe the hard part.
You can weigh it on a trailer before you order motors
My seacat22 which has a similar bottom was a 39 mph hull with twin 115's. The hull, no motors. weighed 3200 lbs with just the console, no ttop. gear or gas and 140's would have been ideal for a 30 mph cruise under 4500 rpms. But this was prior to the 150's getting lightened up.

I think that hulll was around 7000 with a full pigged out fishing load with 3 guys. But as I said, loading her with 60 instead of 120 gallons made her ride a lot better and faster, so weight in more of a factor on a small cat.

If they did all the restore work, lets hope they didn't increase the hull wt too much., But again your needed hp will depend on weight.
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Sorry for the delay, works keeping us busy but thanks for all the input so far. It looks like we are sold on twin 90s. Hopefully will happen first of the year. Got the rubrail installed today. Doesn't look to bad for our first time. I will post pictures as soon as I can. Need to clean fuel tanks and get the deck paint going next. After looking at other nautico's, i cant see too much weight being added compared to factory. We like the fishbox placement up front in the bow. We plan on batteries being placed in the center console as opposed to the stern like orginal. Should help to balance everything out.
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Alright guys. Been a while so I figured I'd do an update on boat and hopefully add some pictures. Boats coming along nicely. Got rubrail on. Painted deck with interlux non skid. Anxious to see how it cleans up. Wiring is almost done. Did a complete re-wire, new pumps, switches, everything. Helm is installed. Removed livewell leaning post as we aren't big on live baiting and preferred the deck space. Installed an acrylic panel to flush mount electronics. Also decided to run n2k so we can have 2 Garmin's with 1 running engine data as opposed to separate gauges. Fusion radio is also connected to n2k which is pretty cool. Figured out how to connect 0183 data to vhf since it's not a n2k vhf. Pretty proud of that since I couldn't figure it out on the last boat we had the vhf on. Guess I got a little smarter. Settled on Suzuki 90s from Diamond marine over here in New Smyrna Beach. Good guys up there. Hopefully by end of month we'll have it in the water. Cant believe how much wiring goes into a small 20ft cat. We had an older hydra sport 2550 wa and couldn't imagine how much went into that and there wasn't even ac power on that boat.
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Here's a few pictures starting with when we first got it. If there's anything else anyone would like to see just ask.










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Coming along nicely. WTG. If you haven't done it yet, I would measure the distance from the transom lip to the back of the seawall to confirm with the dealer that the Suzi 's have room to tilt all the way up. T90's will be ample power.
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Twin 90’s will make that hull fly....twin 70’s is ample power. But, with the weight of the new 75 and 90 four strokes being the same block and weighing the same.....it’s your preference, a couple extra mph or save a couple extra bucks. Yamaha four stroke 70’s are about 150 lbs lighter than the newer 75 and 90 hp motors. Great little boat for inshore and light/close range offshore.
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I know some one that bought one and I had a chance to get on it not in the water though. Loved the simple lay out and the fact it had twins. I owned the 19ft seagull liner version and the prokat 20 version and loved both of them so I have a good idea how they handle. My prokat had 200hp and it was perfect power but to much weight. Mine dry weight was spec 539lbs.
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Looks good! I have the 27' Seagull Nautico and love it. Hope you enjoy yours too!
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Thanks everybody and I will look into that bullshipper. I have seen 90 Suzuki's on this hull so hopefully it's a non issue. Also floated it for the first time yesterday to switch trailers.
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Everybody loves pictures so here's a few more. Getting the engines put on this coming week finally.





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Thanks everybody and I will look into that bullshipper. I have seen 90 Suzuki's on this hull so hopefully it's a non issue. Also floated it for the first time yesterday to switch trailers.

Suzi's can be programmed to stop their lift at any point you want, and because a cat sits higher on it trailer, full lift my not be needed. But its also nice to get them up out of the water if you slip the hull.
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Suzi's can be programmed to stop their lift at any point you want, and because a cat sits higher on it trailer, full lift my not be needed. But its also nice to get them up out of the water if you slip the hull.
It actually sits pretty low now at the stern with the new trailer compared to before but I didnt know you could program them like that. Thanks for the info. I guess we will find our real soon.

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