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Old 11-01-2019, 06:42 PM
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Default So what’s the deal with catamarans (freeman vs all others)

Had the pleasure of fishing a freeman on a rough day offshore and was absolutely blown away by the ride quality and speed at which we were able to run. It leads me to the question-

what separates a freeman from its cat competitors?
why aren’t cats more popular?

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They seem pretty popular to me.
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The definitive separators in the ocean are waves, wind and speed. The big league cats can go fast in the snot and cushion the ride. There are many good ones being built and Freeman is one of them.
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Some folks just aren't ok with the double penetration 😁 mono hulls have proven manufacturers and designs that have been around for decades. However in the next 5 years (if not already) the market will definitely be shifting. Had this conversation with my father in law the other day were are going to FLIBS this weekend where he will seriously be considering a cat purely based on the ride and his old and decrepit back. The cat would allow him to fish more days out of the year in more comfort.
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Shifting for those who can spend $500k plus maybe.
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Originally Posted by ono loco View Post
Shifting for those who can spend $500k plus maybe.
shifting as in the popularity and numbers of cats in general just as an EXAMPLE you can get a brand new 32 world cat for half of that 500k.
Old 11-02-2019, 06:32 AM
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I think a lot more people would own a top tier Freeman, Invincible, Berky, etc if they could afford one. I know I would. I think a Freeman with the right colors is the best looking boat on the water. However, I don't think more people are going to buy WC's, GB's and other low end cats because of what Freeman has done.
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“low end” meaning manufacturers with decades of proven design and reliability? Pioneers in the segment?
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World Cats are not exactly cheap, but less than Freemans. WC's ride pretty well, but maybe not as good as Freeman- I have not been on a Freeman, but I am very pleased w my 295 WC. 29' is not a big boat, but the ride is much better than other 30' boats I have owned or been on. Not magic , I don't run 40 in 4' seas, but in the typical 2-3' chop, I can run 30 w no pounding or problem.
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A decently equipped 23ft world cat is like 90-100k.
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Originally Posted by mhbomber View Post
why aren’t cats more popular?
One reason is compare to a similar size mono...they cost more.
Also, IMO you don't get the benefits a large Cat provide from a small Cat. At least the ones I fished.
Finally.....looks. Some people are simply set in their ways and don't want to change.
But as someone said above....if I had $500k hanging around and was looking for a 30' plus CC....I would definitely consider a Cat.
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I was just thinking about this when someone made fun of my choice of car in another thread.
when my kids were small we got a minivan. I loved it but when the kids didn’t need it any more I changed to “normal” cars. Now 20 years later at age 60 I had to buy a new car. I checked out a lot of them and chose the minivan.
It is way more comfortable on long trips both For me and the passengers. Plenty of room for my fishing stuff. I can carry my rods in the back without getting poked in the head. It is actually the best and most comfortable car I ever had in my life. Yet even my friends made fun of it. i am glad I chose it.

same thing with my cat. It is not as sexy looking as a mono hull. However it doesn’t pound and is so much better on the back. I doubt if I would still be fishing if I had my old boat. Had it 10 years and love it. My friends who all have mono hulls made fun of it at first. Now most of the time we go out on my boat

my point. As you get older looks matter less than comfort so I see older boaters gravitating towards cats. And as the population ages cats are going to become more popular.
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also include shallower draft...a cat will float in super skinny water where a mono wont. A guy with a 36 YF in Marathon cant fit his boat in his home canal in lower tides, but even a BIGGER 42 cat has access 24/7. Better efficiency....equals faster cruise with better economy and more range. One draw back is you probably need twins or quads....not many cats with trips. In this pic a mono would be tilted on it's side.

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Initially, I think the resistance came from the fact that cats were ugly from their high freeboard, suffered from "catamaran sneeze" and were more difficult to trailer. People even debated the ride (I think from resistance to change) even though they had been around in Australia for years and it was pretty much undeniable that size for size, a cat rode better in most conditions.

But as catamaran aesthetics and trailer design matured along with word on the dock of the benefits in ride, I think cats are on a roll now.
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I think liking a cat is a mind set and most people who bash then never rode on one. I have a 27' Baha Cruisers cat (2000) which is a planning cat I converted from I/O to O/B the O/B makes it a complete different boat. I went from 34 gal a trip to 23 gal 34-44 mil round trip I was able to do 34mph WOT now 50mph WOT, the reason I converted was $$$$ a new 27'-30' would be 100k-160k mine was 56k. I also went with 300 g2 I know why 10yrs is longer than I will have this boat (74) so someone will still have 3-4 yr warranty. I like my cat I also see a lot of good mono hull I like so no debate from me you boat on what you like a I will do the same.
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Did I miss something? Since when is WC a "low end" boat company?

I think cats are on a roll now, I've seen the values either hold or in the case of CCs, really skyrocket. I'm glad I got mine when I did, prices have really shot up.
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Originally Posted by wajski View Post
I think liking a cat is a mind set and most people who bash then never rode on one. I have a 27' Baha Cruisers cat (2000) which is a planning cat I converted from I/O to O/B the O/B makes it a complete different boat. I went from 34 gal a trip to 23 gal 34-44 mil round trip I was able to do 34mph WOT now 50mph WOT, the reason I converted was $$$$ a new 27'-30' would be 100k-160k mine was 56k. I also went with 300 g2 I know why 10yrs is longer than I will have this boat (74) so someone will still have 3-4 yr warranty. I like my cat I also see a lot of good mono hull I like so no debate from me you boat on what you like a I will do the same.
Anyone on here own a 34' 2001 Baha King Cat with twin 330 hp Cummins ?
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Originally Posted by fireboat View Post
Initially, I think the resistance came from the fact that cats were ugly from their high freeboard, suffered from "catamaran sneeze" and were more difficult to trailer. People even debated the ride (I think from resistance to change) even though they had been around in Australia for years and it was pretty much undeniable that size for size, a cat rode better in most conditions.

But as catamaran aesthetics and trailer design matured along with word on the dock of the benefits in ride, I think cats are on a roll now.
South Africans have long been cat lovers, as long as we in Australia, I suppose we have similar conditions (lots of rough water, not a lot of rescue organisations). Twin hulls and twin engines are great, not perfect but then again, is any boat perfect?

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