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Old 10-18-2019, 08:36 AM
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Default If you could still buy brand-new 2-stroke outboards in the US...would you?

I'm talking about the 20HP - 30HP range for a small boat.

PROS - More compact, lighter, quicker throttle response, easier to work on are some that I hear.
CONS - Mixing fuel, louder, lower fuel economy are some that I hear.

If you had a chance to get your hands on a brand new 2-stroke in the 20HP - 30HP range, would you choose it over a 4-stroke (price being about the same)? And I'm not talking about the cheap Chinese stuff, more like a Tohatsu.
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I've had 2 strokes but would pick 4 strokes anyday.
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I'm not in the US, but in the UK and face exactly the same restriction. In answer to your question, yes I would. I have a Tohatsu 9.8 two stroke on my tender and I've never found a four stroke of that power that's nicer to use. In the UK we can buy a carbed two stroke but only if a commercial user which you have to prove.
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If you use the boat, I would absolutely NOT buy a two stroke. I just replaced at 25 Yam two stroke on my 15' Hobie skiff with a Honda 60 4 stroke, and could not be happier. No stink, quiet, (and faster). Plus it pollutes less. Everyone says they want clean water, but are they doing their part?

The new Yam 25 is light.
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All day long. small 2 strokes are so much lighter than the 4 stroke motors. We have 3 25hp mercuries that we rotate out at the camp.
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No.

Mercury 4 stroke EFI all day every day.
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Why can't I buy a new 2st motor? Did Evenrude quit making them?
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I would all day long....lighter, more power, and more reliable.....I will run etecs so long as they continue to make 2 strokes....
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About 5 years ago I would have. In fact it was really the only way you could feasibly strap a 25 horsepower motor on the transom of most small skiffs. The four strokes weighed a solid 60+ pounds more than the two strokes. A lot of extra weight on the transom of a narrow and light boat. But now Yamaha, Suzuki, and others make four strokes that weigh what their two strokes used to with the same power, only better fuel economy and less noise. I know a lot of you guys have some glory days image in your heads of these old smokers, but as a guy who has rebuilt his share of carburetors, had many a hard start on a cold morning, and mixed his share of gas, I'll pass on all that if money is no object. If I were repowering a skiff there's no way I'd go back to a carb'd two stroke.
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I wouldn't buy an old school carbed 2-stroke, but a modern DFI like an etec, sure.
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My buddy had I think one of those small 12 or 13 foot BW. He put a 35 merc 4st on the back and the boat was never the same. Too much weight for the boat.
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
My buddy had I think one of those small 12 or 13 foot BW. He put a 35 merc 4st on the back and the boat was never the same. Too much weight for the boat.
Too much weight will kill the performance of that little boat. A 25 will make it go about 25 mph, which is plenty fast enough in anything but flat water.

People like to overweight all of the old whalers, and then complain about how they are no good.
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
Why can't I buy a new 2st motor? Did Evenrude quit making them?

The OP is talking of a small outboard - whilst I am a big fan of Etecs, their 25hp is too heavy to offer the advantages of the old tech Tohatsus at this power.


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I know a lot of you guys have some glory days image in your heads of these old smokers, but as a guy who has rebuilt his share of carburetors, had many a hard start on a cold morning, and mixed his share of gas, I'll pass on all that if money is no object. If I were repowering a skiff there's no way I'd go back to a carb'd two stroke.
You clearly never had a Tohatsu two stroke. My 15 year old 9.8 starts first pull every time - maybe takes two pulls if its the first start of the season. It's also quieter when flat out, than any comparable power four stroke I've used and only just a little nosier at idle.
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What 4 stroke 25hp motors weigh 105 lbs.?

My old 50hp 2-stroke Tohatsu weighed 152 lbs.
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100% yes...all day!!
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FYI - You can get one from Mexico fairly easily. They will ship to your door.
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Never! Why would I want to have to deal with mixing oil, fumes and all the fuss?
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I just replaced a 25 year old Evinrude 2 stroke 25 with a Suzuki 20 hp 4 stroke. The Zuke is actually lighter, and runs the 15’ Jon boat at the same top speed. However, I would definitely want an Evinrude 9.9 or 15 ol-style 2 stroke.
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I love the smell of two stroke in the morning.
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Too much weight will kill the performance of that little boat. A 25 will make it go about 25 mph, which is plenty fast enough in anything but flat water.

People like to overweight all of the old whalers, and then complain about how they are no good.
Yea, my buddy didn't think about weight when making his buying decision. He went for a 35 2st to a 35 4st and the salesman never brought up the weight difference. Running it was not a big difference but it just seemed you had to worry about dunking the transom.

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