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Old 09-05-2019, 04:34 PM
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a couple weeks back I posted asking for the best bilge paint I could purchase in MA for work done over epoxy based repairs, folks here recommended total boat as well as interluxes product. I ended up going with total boat and got f'd over good by some bad product. The sad part is jamestown distributors will NOT acknowledge that they sold some bad product and want me to paint a piece of raw wood and leave it outside in the sun for multiple days and if it cures under those conditons the product is fine. I'm not sure which planet the person is on, if they are marketing a paint which is supposed to go in a bilge of a boat, it should be able to cure out in a bilge of a boat.

here's where I'm at....

I painted the bilge 1-2pm on sunday afternoon, the temps were low to mid 80s and sunny at the time. My buddy had done over a seacraft and warned me the paint would take long to cure if I went heavy in any way so I was real conservative and only used 2 pints. I did not modify the paint in any way. At 6pm I did a touch test and the panit seemed dry to the touch. The next morning at 11am went in the boat and tried to sand with the recommmended 220 grit sandpaper and the sandpaper loaded up instantly. I decided to wait another day and tried again tuesday morning, same results. I was on vacation this week so I left my house to have some fun. Wanting my boat done sometime soon I came home this afternoon hoping the paint was cured and could be sanded and it wasn't, it was 4 days after applying the paint.

I called Jamestown distributors support line and the guy there was accusing me of putting it on too heavy, I used 2 quarts of epoxy primer to cover the same space I used 2 pints of totalboat bilge so that definitely was not the case. He then said the boat being covered in shrink wrap caused it, I had left the door of the shrink wrap open and had another window cut in the front of the boat which I placed a fan in and kept it running all 4 days. The can says it can be overcoated in 8hrs, then he came up with the line of painting a raw piece of wood and leaving it in the sun for 3 days and if it cured it was fine.

to me I think the guy is giving me line after line of BULL $hit.

As a test he asked if I wiped it with a rag with mineral spirits and see if it would come off, it did. I also tested with acetone and the acetone worked better, the surface would craze in about 30 seconds after painting the surface with the acetone.

now for my ask, I've got a lot of area to cover to get this CRAP paint off, whats a good method?? I tried using a paint brush and painting on acetone then wiping it off with paper towels. It seemed to work ok but my gloves didn't seem to be acetone proof and I didn't want to get sick pushing it.

What can I do to get this done quicker / safer? I have a 3m respirator mask with painting cartridges and seems to cut the odor.




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Old 09-05-2019, 04:54 PM
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how about trying a test area. mix up more total but double part b . paint it over in a small area . it might cure everything.
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what a mess.

Safety first- get yourself some thick gloves from home depot. Not the thin disposable ones, but the thicker ones that will hold up.

Will it scrape off? Have you tried a sharp paint scraper?

Xylene Solvent?

It's a real sh_t show, but my strategy would be to scrape, rub with solvent, and scrape, repeatedly.

Then let what is left dry as best as you can, and sand off.

Also, be really careful of fires- go slow, and don't leave solvent soaked rags or paper towels laying around. Spontaneous combustion is real.
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I would get a electric sander with a bunch of disc pads. Sand as best as possible. Then check to see if it will dry at that point. If yes, pick up a different brand and try again.
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Apply solvent scrape, apply solvent scrape, apply solvent scrape, apply solvent scrape, you will finally get to where you can sand the small remainder.
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And... get a respirator.
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not for nothing but that does look it was applied kinda thick.
Also whats the deal with the shrinkwrap when the temps in the 80's?

I agree with the solvent,scrape, solvent solution, BUT careful with the fumes
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:22 PM
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That same product did the same thing to me when I painted the bilge in my shamrock during a repower. Ended up finally setting up a good amount of time later. I followed directions exactly also. Ended up using a razor and scraping the runs and eventually sanding a bit before a light recover. Junk product.
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I would try some MEK in a spray bottle. It will break down paint that acetone and mineral spirits won't touch.
Heavy fumes and highly flammable.
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A word of warning on solvents, especially Trichloroethylene (trike) and Methyl Ethyl Ketone. (MEK.) or Tolulene.(TOLIO)
They have been banned by OSHA because they are highly toxic. I took a safety class. As a demonstration the instructor
submerged his index finger in a glass of water. While it was soaking he told us if it was MEK, in 60 seconds, it will be
absorbed through your skin, into the bloodstream, through the liver to the point where fumes will actually come from
your respiratory system. It will change the odor of your breath in 60 seconds. I can’t emphasize enough, what others have said,
protective clothing, as much ventilation as possible and a good breathing apparatus. NOT a 3M particle mask.
Now if you will excuse me I have to paint my Soap Box.
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The boat is under shrinkwrap for a deck off conversion to outboard power. The wrap has saved me countless hours of cleaning debris from trees in my yard out of the boat.

The pic I posted is that of the balled up paint after scrubbing a bit.

Here's the overall space after sanding down the epoxy based primer before painting the total bilge.

With acetone do I need to worry about the surface of the epoxy primer?


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Im definitely concerned with safety and the paper towels went outside the boat in a metal can.

I have a 3m respirator mask and will use to that when doing the work

Other than much heavier gloves and eye protection do I need to worry about anything?
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I'd remove the cover and make sure that you have good ventilation. Acetone liquid is flammable and its vapor is explosive. Above 2.6% and below 13.0% in air acetone vapor will explode if a source of ignition occurs.
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Originally Posted by ktm_2000 View Post
Im definitely concerned with safety and the paper towels went outside the boat in a metal can.

I have a 3m respirator mask and will use to that when doing the work

Other than much heavier gloves and eye protection do I need to worry about anything?
That should do it. Sorry for being so preachy. I’ve lost friends at work that we know was due to unsafe working conditions and it’s even worse when guys are just too lazy to be safe.
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is this the gelcoat they sell that claims to go over epoxy ?
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I would put a big fan in the door way blowing out, I agree having it covered for work like that is really nice thing to have.
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Originally Posted by Ebbie View Post
A word of warning on solvents, especially Trichloroethylene (trike) and Methyl Ethyl Ketone. (MEK.) or Tolulene.(TOLIO)
They have been banned by OSHA because they are highly toxic. I took a safety class. As a demonstration the instructor
submerged his index finger in a glass of water. While it was soaking he told us if it was MEK, in 60 seconds, it will be
absorbed through your skin, into the bloodstream, through the liver to the point where fumes will actually come from
your respiratory system. It will change the odor of your breath in 60 seconds. I can’t emphasize enough, what others have said,
protective clothing, as much ventilation as possible and a good breathing apparatus. NOT a 3M particle mask.
Now if you will excuse me I have to paint my Soap Box.
Just for clarification! Trichloroethylene is TCE...not “trike”. Toluene is not short for anything...only AKA is toluol. None of these ..TCE, MEK nor Toluene have been “banned” by OSHA! Not discounting the need for gloves that are rated for chemical resistance (PVA for MEK, toluene and TCE are the only real choice). Respiratory half or full face air-purifying respirator is a must with an organic vapor cartridge. Can’t stress enough about air movement in a confined space and the need to remove spark production in a flammable environment (fans, drillls etc).
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About 12 or so years ago I used the Interlux Bilge paint on a small project, painting the wood bulkheads around the engine in our boat. Its held up well and there were no problems with it drying, curing etc. Still has a gloss to it. Of course the formulation could have been changed by now...
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Id call interlux, They were very helpful when I was painting my deck. I thinned mine with xylene.
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Personally,it's hard to fault old school oil based enamel with a hardener.
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