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Old 08-23-2019, 06:35 AM
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Thoughts and prayers to the Family and extended Fire Fighting and Boating community. I have followed this from day one and have thought how I would react in a similar situation. Shouldah, woouldah and couldah comes to mind but no two ditch scenarios are the same so all I can come up with is to hope I have the fortitude to figure it out when it happens. These gentlemen have been described as very capable and I hold out hope they are found with bad sunburns.

The SAR Professionals have a tough job to do.....years of experience and yes modern computer modeling go into working up a scenario with the best possible outcome. Like most situations a certain probability of a likely outcome is given. They have reached that point, way out the probability curve, and we should not find this as an opportunity to criticize for the curtailing search operations. The did their jobs, multitude of volunteers did their jobs and continue to do so. Hard facts are they have only recovered a bag.

We are left with our private thoughts of the wives and children. I know they are surrounded by good people who will shepherd them now and the years to come.
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Old 08-23-2019, 06:46 AM
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I've watched this thread..I've followedd the incident closely.
This hits home as it could be myself, any one of my friends or anyone here on THT.
I still have hope.
A huge thank you to all of those involved in the SAR.
USGC, multiple other govt agencies, all of the civilian volunteers that helped in any capacity, all of the donors to the cause. It's been truly heartwarming to witness all of those coming together to help in reuniting people most have never met. It's comforting knowing that when/if it happens again there will be plenty to answer the call selflessly.

Bull-
Truly sorry for you and your family and this situation. I can't imagine what yall are going through.
Please take solace that thousands of lives will be saved because of this situation. They are still saving lives.
They were out doing what they loved and enjoyed.
Please let us know what, if anything,we can do going forward.

THT community-
Great job coming together and supporting our fellow member in this time of need.

As for the next few weeks ALL us Carolina (and North) heading out keep your eyes peeled they are out there!
Go fishing, but when running keep a sharp eye out. Make that your primary focus while traveling!

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Old 08-23-2019, 06:56 AM
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I have not completely given up hope, I've thought all along and said it many pages back, as long as the boat is floating and upright they are alive out there somewhere. Which means they'd have to be east of the search grid. I think that's a slim likelihood however that's their only statistical chance at this point, I'm afraid.

Regardless of the outcome, I'm trying to look at this way. Those men are firemen. My dad was a Ft. Lauderdale fireman for 31 years. Being a fireman is more than just an occupation, it's a commitment to safety and selflessly helping those in need. In a word, being a fireman means performing rescues.

These two men will continue to perform rescues for many years to come. They will save countless lives, perhaps even someone that has read or commented on this thread. In effect, they are responsible for a cultural change in boating safety and preparation. From this point forward, thousands of people will take to the water with a higher level of preparation, better and more advanced safety equipment, and perhaps a more humbling respect for the power of the ocean.
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Old 08-23-2019, 06:59 AM
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Like tons of people on here I have been following this story closely checking in every few hours and still have hope. Last night after work I took ride by myself in the boat and actually put my inflatable life jacket on.....on my way in I saw a 17' boat with two teenagers on it and the engine was up and they were looking at it. Normally I would have just kept going and minded my own business since they werent in immediate danger. Instead I went off course and checked in on them...engine wont start so I towed them in. Not a big deal but Brian and Justin have made a difference in many of our lives.

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Old 08-23-2019, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
As other stated, just looking up the numbers in the state registration records would give up the HIN. Also, it would have info on any previous owners who might know more about the capabilities and history of that specific hull at the time they owned it.
I didn't think about that
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:27 AM
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Well said, burningdaylight. I fish out of Panama City and we had quite a bit of debris in the water after the hurricane and after the flooding in the Mississippi river (pulled this way by current/wind). We'd normally leave before daylight to make our run out, but we backed that up to leave at daylight so we'd at least have an opportunity to see that stuff to avoid a hull impact. So many things go right all the time, but this has been a stark reminder that they can also go very wrong.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullrun View Post
Tough day today.

The fact that the extremely extensive search efforts have not turned up a boat, capsized or otherwise; has us presuming Brian and Justin ended up in the water. We arrived here after information from the CG last night that this boat is not foam filled and will sink. Of course we donít know for sure, or how. The likelihood of surviving 6 days in the water start to get pretty low even for these two guys.

Today we we did the hardest thing Iíve ever had to do- tell my niece and nephew and my son and daughter that daddy/uncle Brian wasnít coming home. I know anything is possible and they could still be found but we didnít want to leave them with this ambiguity.

As hard as this chapter has been, the next gets even harder. The world my family knew Friday morning doesnít exist anymore. We will try to pick up the pieces and do the best we can.

Brian, Stephanie, and their kids


words cannot even begin to describe your pain! BEAUTIFUL FAMILY!

at this time i ask of one thing from you bull, make sure those kids grow up with a father figure to teach them right from wrong, you or anyone else will neverbe able to replace his position, but you can make sure they have a father figure to guide them through the journey of life! the wife as well!
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:37 AM
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Every time someone quotes Bull's update with the pic of his family and I scroll down, my stomach gets a little more knotted.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:40 AM
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Bull --- So sorry to here. Kept hoping and praying for a miracle and will still be. I know this is a tough decision to make, telling the kids that someone is not coming back
Our thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:51 AM
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To the OP, your family and friends; people have been found after much longer periods of time, please keep hope alive for your loved ones. You loved ones will be in my thoughts, and in the thoughts and minds of people that will continue to go out and challenge the ocean in pursuit of what drives them. You must continue to believe that they will be spotted by people and brought home to you.

I pray that your closure comes with the warm embrace your loved ones, sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by burningdaylight View Post
I have not completely given up hope, I've thought all along and said it many pages back, as long as the boat is floating and upright they are alive out there somewhere. Which means they'd have to be east of the search grid. I think that's a slim likelihood however that's their only statistical chance at this point, I'm afraid.

Regardless of the outcome, I'm trying to look at this way. Those men are firemen. My dad was a Ft. Lauderdale fireman for 31 years. Being a fireman is more than just an occupation, it's a commitment to safety and selflessly helping those in need. In a word, being a fireman means performing rescues.

These two men will continue to perform rescues for many years to come. They will save countless lives, perhaps even someone that has read or commented on this thread. In effect, they are responsible for a cultural change in boating safety and preparation. From this point forward, thousands of people will take to the water with a higher level of preparation, better and more advanced safety equipment, and perhaps a more humbling respect for the power of the ocean.
Very Well Written....
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:10 AM
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If there is any silver lining to the story it’s that the outpouring of love and support here shows what good people can be found in the boating community. I know everyone who could would have looked for your brother-in-law and his friends.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:11 AM
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My Deepest sympathies to Bull and the families of these heroic men. This is heartbreaking. Peace be with you Bull. I am still hoping that some how, some way they get home safe and sound to you and your families. God Bless.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by USN_FCCS View Post
All hope is not lost, the sea is a massive piece of real estate that seldom plays by the rules and rarely does as we predict. The CG May have suspended the rescue effort but the search has not ended. Every boater from VA to the keys will by this point be keeping a lookout. The three warships will be out for a couple more weeks with there amphibious crafts marking runs in on and off shore.
These guys are not helpless or hopeless individuals, by trade they are tacticians and problem solvers but more importantly survivors. If anyone can put a plan for success in a stressful situation together it is these to.
I am not offering my condolences or sympathies for the families loss. Not yet I will offer my support and prayers, and my prayers for strength in this difficult time.

Now is not the time to give up hope, donít give up on these young men just yet the sea is tireless and rough but she also is a provider and I have hope she will return our lost brothers, and look forward to the tale they have to tell.

Bull if there is anything I can do please donít hesitate to reach out. Douglasemcqueen@gmail.com
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Originally Posted by burningdaylight View Post
I have not completely given up hope, I've thought all along and said it many pages back, as long as the boat is floating and upright they are alive out there somewhere. Which means they'd have to be east of the search grid. I think that's a slim likelihood however that's their only statistical chance at this point, I'm afraid.

Regardless of the outcome, I'm trying to look at this way. Those men are firemen. My dad was a Ft. Lauderdale fireman for 31 years. Being a fireman is more than just an occupation, it's a commitment to safety and selflessly helping those in need. In a word, being a fireman means performing rescues.

These two men will continue to perform rescues for many years to come. They will save countless lives, perhaps even someone that has read or commented on this thread. In effect, they are responsible for a cultural change in boating safety and preparation. From this point forward, thousands of people will take to the water with a higher level of preparation, better and more advanced safety equipment, and perhaps a more humbling respect for the power of the ocean.
well said. The social media posts have shifted from boats and fish to safety. Ive never seen so many people buy plb and epirbs and upgrading their safety items on board. They are still savings lives.
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These two men will continue to perform rescues for many years to come. They will save countless lives, perhaps even someone that has read or commented on this thread. In effect, they are responsible for a cultural change in boating safety and preparation. From this point forward, thousands of people will take to the water with a higher level of preparation, better and more advanced safety equipment, and perhaps a more humbling respect for the power of the ocean.
Perfectly said. Iíd love to have a patch from their units to put on my safety gear bag. Would always have a little memorial and reminder with us on the boat.

Maybe that could be a fundraiser kind of thing for the families? Patch with donation over $50 or something?

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well said. The social media posts have shifted from boats and fish to safety. Ive never seen so many people buy plb and epirbs and upgrading their safety items on board. They are still savings lives.
Yep! Already had a PLB but ordered my EPIRB yesterday plus a bigger ditch bag. These guys ARE still saving lives!
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Just saw report that they have ended the search. Area of probability has grown to over 250 thousand square miles. Crap... just a terrible outcome. My condolences to the family and all those involved. Im at a loss as to what to think. A great loss here.
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Perfectly said. Iíd love to have a patch from their units to put on my safety gear bag. Would always have a little memorial and reminder with us on the boat.

Maybe that could be a fundraiser kind of thing for the families? Patch with donation over $50 or something?
I think this is a fantastic idea. Gets money to families for scholarship funds for kids or whatever they need, plus gives a constant reminder to the rest of us every time we push off to not get lazy or complacent about safety. Maybe Bullrun the OP will see this and make the suggestion once things calm down a bit.
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As much as I hate everything about this, I am comforted that the family is on the same page with the coast guards decision. Hope is not lost and people will still keep looking but the last post I read from Bull made me feel better for the family.
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