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Old 07-15-2019, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MaddMac View Post
We recently took a 2360 sailfish out...Forecast was 2.5@8 with a NE wind@10..I stared at my feet for the 3hour ride out getting soaked..It was definitely more than forecast. We made it out and back...It was wet and miserable. The boat definitely handled it better than we did... Honestly you will probably have to find out the hard way what your limit is..

You left out the ride through Port Royal Sound at the last hour of the outgoing tide on the way back home in confused 6 foot rollers while dodging thunderstorms... Major pucker factor.
Old 07-15-2019, 09:01 AM
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in reality when the wind starts to make whitecaps which is around 12 to 15 knots things gets less fun out there.

at that point whether the forecast is for improving or deteriorating seas is the most important thing.
Old 07-15-2019, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Volleybum1970 View Post



You left out the ride through Port Royal Sound at the last hour of the outgoing tide on the way back home in confused 6 foot rollers while dodging thunderstorms... Major pucker factor.
Yes yes I did. And that fact that we were unaware of the bilge pump not working...don't wanna scare the guy!! Heck I never complained and had a blast...we caught fish despite the conditions and I tried to keep you a bit lightened up on that ride into the sound...that was definitely an experience..The boat handled it great as did you including during that sketchy ride in...You and the boat handled it like a champ.. I'm.sure looking back we won't make the GO call again. Lol..Or maybe we will.. hahahahaha
Old 07-15-2019, 10:07 AM
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I got caught in a SE blow, maybe 25 - 30 knot winds in a 22 foot boat a few years ago. Waves stacked up against that wind and due to tide, were going straight up and down....limited period between them....I recall free-falling off the tops of cresting ten-footers, blue water pounding the wheelhouse glass. It lasted for a couple of hours before I made it into a bay for protection. I got a genuine case of PTSD from that event.

Got home, promptly went out and bought a 24 footer, then the next summer, got caught in a similar event




Haa haa, I was in a similar situation but not 10'. Sold the 27, bought the cc 32. Now, I know if I can make it through the 6s-8s in the 27, I will be ok in the 32.

The first time you are out in the slop, its scary. For me, it was an hour of those 6s-8s, stacked up about 2 seconds apart. Then, 4s in the smaller bay, but a nasty following sea pushing my stern around the entire time, in pitch dark. Its gonna happen if you boat. You have to accept it. Try to avoid it of course, but when you come through it a bit saltier, the next time it isnt so bad. You tell yourself you did it before, you can do it again. There are guys reading this that have been in way worse conditions way more often and are probably laughing at how green we are.
Old 07-15-2019, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Volleybum1970 View Post



You left out the ride through Port Royal Sound at the last hour of the outgoing tide on the way back home in confused 6 foot rollers while dodging thunderstorms... Major pucker factor.
Oh and they were confused 6ft rollers following..and a few random really tight 8s thrown in to keep ya on your toes
Old 07-15-2019, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by southtx View Post
I have the 2660 and generally don't go out if it's better than 3'. Since your outta Ramrod, Hawks Channel sucks with an e or se wind that's better than 12knts when your going straight s offshore. I forced myself over the reefline on a horrible day last summer due to seeing frigate's on mahi, and it was true 5's (got four decent ones). It handled it but not fun at all, that boat isn't big enough to ride in that sea state, especially when it's confused. The pro's of the boat is it very rarely pounds, lands soft even when your sure it's gonna slam. The con's are that it does ride wet on a quartering or beam sea with any type of wind. Overall I really like the ride, good luck with it.
My experience exactly. Great riding boat.
Old 07-15-2019, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MaddMac View Post
Yes yes I did. And that fact that we were unaware of the bilge pump not working...don't wanna scare the guy!! Heck I never complained and had a blast...we caught fish despite the conditions and I tried to keep you a bit lightened up on that ride into the sound...that was definitely an experience..The boat handled it great as did you including during that sketchy ride in...You and the boat handled it like a champ.. I'm.sure looking back we won't make the GO call again. Lol..Or maybe we will.. hahahahaha


I was glad to have a solid copilot for that 90 min. My am protocol at the dock now includes checking the $&@!#% bilge pump and the ditch bag lives velcroed to the leaning post. I’d go out in that forecast again for sure assuming it was a seasoned crew. Next time, I think I would wait until the tide turned incoming. An hour would have made a big difference on the sea state. Can’t wait to move to up a 34-38cc to feel safer when the weather man is wrong.
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I also have the 2660 and really like the boat. I usually won't go out if the forecast is for 2.5+ ft since they can easily become 4+ during the day. I find it almost impossible to fish at that point. I've been in 5-6ft and the boat handled it pretty well but it wasn't much fun.
Old 07-15-2019, 02:44 PM
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Make it a point to go out in increasing and varied forecasts close to home, where you know the waterways (with an experienced friend if possible). You learn by doing and much better to do close to port so when it does come up you'll have some experience.
Old 07-15-2019, 02:52 PM
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My knees and back stage a open rebellion when the seas are over 2 ft. That said a larger sea is not bad if it is well spaced rollers.
Old 07-15-2019, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RAMRODNEY View Post
Just curious to how big of seas you guys with boats in the 26' range are making you stay at the dock. Ive recently upgraded from a Sailfish 216 to a Sailfish 2660 and haven't been out in anything bigger than 2' chop in the 2660 and it was a breeze compared to the 216. I know there are factors like the wave period etc etc.
I'm a mechanic and rigged a 28ft.Radon on island of Molokai Hawaii Twin 150 Yamaha's,the day we splashed boat to go home to Maui,a storm blew through that morning.Now being new to Islands at that time really wasn't repaired for what was about to take place.Local owner who was driving had no worries at all but let me tell you when we dropped down in the troughs of these waves you could not see the mountains,and he had to jump down on throttles to climb up.Perfect Storm Shit I just grabbed another beer.So I think that's your decision sir in what you and your boat is capable of.
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
i hear its a world of difference once you jump to 50+ feet
Nah. The world of difference comes at 50+ meters. Once you have a boat large enough that it actually requires a licensed captain, there is far less likelihood he/she will be taking you out fishing in weather that is too tough to comfortably fish in.
If one thing is true, every fisherman has their comfort zone and every poster on THT has their analysis of what a 6' wave is - I find most people significantly over-estimate wave heights. In real 6-8' seas, you are making displacement speed at best in anything less than an 80' boat, and even then you are backing off on some of the 8'ers.
On a 26' boat, you really aren't going out and fishing in anything more than 2-4's without getting a beat-down.
Old 07-15-2019, 03:38 PM
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They call this dynamic the clapotis effect.
A little penicillin will take care of that.
Old 07-15-2019, 04:02 PM
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I pay more attention to the wave period, wind, and wind direction when going out in the Atlantic. I also try to go in improving conditions. These trips are routinely 36 hours long.

However, when going out in the Chesapeake Bay... that's another thing. I'll sometimes go out even in a small craft advisory, but once the waves are 2' to 3' and wind at 20 knots or greater you just can't fish safely. That bay can get real uncomfortable with the boat basically on 2 waves at the same time. No idea what the period is out there sometimes, but it's ridiculous.

My suggestion would be for you to go out in weather you were comfortable in the old boat... eventually, your going to get your *ss handed to you and then you'll know.

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Old 07-15-2019, 06:01 PM
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One of our best dolphin days was in 5’-6’ seas with the occasional 8’. 60 mi offshore on a Monday. 24’ single engine Sea Hunt Triton. Saw one commercial guy out all day. Had to run 15 miles north of where we put in to make it back and then head south once we were back inside.

Spent 14 hours on the water, all joints (knees, ankles, elbows, and shoulders) hurt like hell the next day. Totally worth it to bring in 9 fish all over 25lbs. Lost a few more that I still regret.

The boat will definitely come back in better shape than the crew.
Old 07-15-2019, 06:22 PM
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Unfortunately your not really going to pick up any more fishing days moving from a 21 to a 26. It will be marginally better in the 26. Once you stop to drift or anchor, no difference at all. Running you will notice the most difference and even that will be minor. If it’s too rough for a 21 it’s too rough for a 26. The move from 21 up to feel a big difference would be to 35 feet or better. At that point the beam and weight will bring on the change. Going from a 21-26 is nice for the extra room but that’s about it.
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
Unfortunately your not really going to pick up any more fishing days moving from a 21 to a 26. It will be marginally better in the 26. Once you stop to drift or anchor, no difference at all. Running you will notice the most difference and even that will be minor. If it’s too rough for a 21 it’s too rough for a 26. The move from 21 up to feel a big difference would be to 35 feet or better. At that point the beam and weight will bring on the change. Going from a 21-26 is nice for the extra room but that’s about it.

Old boat and new boat, I think the differences between these boats is more than marginal
Old 07-15-2019, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JaxAngler View Post
One of our best dolphin days was in 5’-6’ seas with the occasional 8’. 60 mi offshore on a Monday. 24’ single engine Sea Hunt Triton. Saw one commercial guy out all day. Had to run 15 miles north of where we put in to make it back and then head south once we were back inside.

Spent 14 hours on the water, all joints (knees, ankles, elbows, and shoulders) hurt like hell the next day. Totally worth it to bring in 9 fish all over 25lbs. Lost a few more that I still regret.

The boat will definitely come back in better shape than the crew.
I hope you thanked your captain! A lot don't realize larger dolphin bite best in 6'+ seas, so good for him (or her) for putting you on fish, even if those 8'ers made things bouncy.
Old 07-15-2019, 07:12 PM
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We fish 12 or so tournaments a year and typically it’s around 4-6 for the majority of them. Most pray for flat calm we pray for 3-6 levels the playing field for our old 31 contender.
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Wave period and steepness are important. Steep 4+ foot waves will kick your butt. Anything this size under 6 seconds (maybe 8) is good reason to stay home. High wind is also good enough reason to stay home. Usually wind will whip up wind waves, spray, whitecaps and general chop. If you're gonna get soaked with spray then probably better to stay home.

Conversely, if I see 8 feet at 17 seconds then I'm not worried because these are swells and not waves. Long periods are like long rolling hills and not uncomfortable at all.

Another observation living by the water in socal I've noticed any time the seagulls are flying inland, then I'm better off staying home.

Im running a Cabo 31 express now but used these rules on several boats ranging from 24 - 28 ft.

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