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surveyor/mechanic - advice wanted please on unusual buying

Old 06-24-2019, 12:37 AM
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Hello everyone, i posted a few weeks ago about buying a boat to ship to New Zealand.
I may have found one - actually i found an awful lot but couldn't afford most of them ha-ha
I have looked at one - (seller embellished the boats condition), and another good one - (the guy wouldn't talk to me as he thought i was an African money scam).
I have been looking through an agent to make it safer for me - POPyachts.
Had a look on craigs list over the weekend in the Florida and New York areas (Baltimore, Jacksonville and Savannah are the least expensive ports)
Found several that were good. One however caught my eye as a potential buy - i wont as yet mention his name or the boat as i don't have his permission and he is a member here.
I need - if the seller is still interested in me buying, a survey done - in the Long Island NY area, also a marine mechanic that can look at a diesel motor - preferably a surveyor that does both.
Also someone who would handle the $$ for me - is there a service for independent agents? Or preferably a boat yard that could do the paperwork or something similar, that could take the boat to their premises after purchase so it could be picked up from there? better still the seller takes the boat to the yard and it is surveyed there and if checks out - left there, and leaves with the cash.
Obviously this is tricky as there is a pretty big degree of trust for me to send $$ to someone for a purchase.
Does anyone have any ideas on the best/safest way forward?
Then i only need transport from Long Island (or wherever the boat yard is) to Baltimore
Would really appreciate some ideas on this please.
thanks - Justin
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:47 AM
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There are no boats for sale in NZ?

https://www.tradeaboat.co.nz
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Originally Posted by Jkcam View Post
There are no boats for sale in NZ?

https://www.tradeaboat.co.nz
Usually 3x the price compared to US

Stay away from POP Yachts if you can, is the consensus on here (search)

Many Escrow services for payment, but not as many sellers willing to deal with them
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:36 AM
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"There are no boats for sale in NZ?"
Of course there are boats in New Zealand - but never figured we were Geo-locked in our purchasing.
Please - I put my hand up for help on specific questions, and a break down on my personal preferences and reasons for boat buying in the US wasn't one of them.
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
Usually 3x the price compared to US

Stay away from POP Yachts if you can, is the consensus on here (search)

Many Escrow services for payment, but not as many sellers willing to deal with them
Thanks for the heads up on that.
The Escrow system seems a good idea, i'd imagine in my case the contract would have to end at say the Baltimore docks - or something. No seller would want to wait until the boat hit NZ shores, and i wouldnt expect t them to.
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Originally Posted by karuhi View Post
Hello everyone, i posted a few weeks ago about buying a boat to ship to New Zealand.
I may have found one - actually i found an awful lot but couldn't afford most of them ha-ha
I have looked at one - (seller embellished the boats condition), and another good one - (the guy wouldn't talk to me as he thought i was an African money scam).
I have been looking through an agent to make it safer for me - POPyachts.
Had a look on craigs list over the weekend in the Florida and New York areas (Baltimore, Jacksonville and Savannah are the least expensive ports)
Found several that were good. One however caught my eye as a potential buy - i wont as yet mention his name or the boat as i don't have his permission and he is a member here.
I need - if the seller is still interested in me buying, a survey done - in the Long Island NY area, also a marine mechanic that can look at a diesel motor - preferably a surveyor that does both.
Also someone who would handle the $$ for me - is there a service for independent agents? Or preferably a boat yard that could do the paperwork or something similar, that could take the boat to their premises after purchase so it could be picked up from there? better still the seller takes the boat to the yard and it is surveyed there and if checks out - left there, and leaves with the cash.
Obviously this is tricky as there is a pretty big degree of trust for me to send $$ to someone for a purchase.
Does anyone have any ideas on the best/safest way forward?
Then i only need transport from Long Island (or wherever the boat yard is) to Baltimore
Would really appreciate some ideas on this please.
thanks - Justin
do a search on pop yachts, transport, surveyors in long island, etc

there is a north east subforum you should search/move your thread to

do your homework
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They use a different electrical system. All our 120/240v stuff must be changed. Possibly safety equipment and lighting.
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Also note that trailer requirements can be vastly different in other countries. I knew one local shipper who would not bother shipping the trailer with the boat.
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Yacht brokers perform the required contractual and escrow services which an international boat purchase demand, and they also arrange for the collateral services: including surveys, mechanical inspections and shipping. I would have made the selection of a highly qualified yacht broker a priority, before I even began the boat selection process, as they can help with that too.
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Old 06-24-2019, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pez Vela View Post
Yacht brokers perform the required contractual and escrow services which an international boat purchase demand, and they also arrange for the collateral services: including surveys, mechanical inspections and shipping. I would have made the selection of a highly qualified yacht broker a priority, before I even began the boat selection process, as they can help with that too.
I personally do not see much value in yacht brokers but in this case there may be some value, you just need to select one that is good, and make sure fees are OK

I would not rely on a broker for contract aside from providing a draft... always have a lawyer review if you are not experienced in contracts yourself...
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This is exactly what brokers are for, even more important for an international purchase like this.

When Mystery concedes that there may be some added value to broker representation you know it's a big deal!

Also Mystery you say "may be some value"...I think you're underselling it. In this case it adds every single service and protection this guy is asking for. I'd call that an exact match for what he's describing. Not to mention the prospective Seller that thought he was a scammer could have easily been handled by a licensed US broker to facilitate the closing in person to the Seller's comfort.

Don't forget that in addition to inspection and closing you'll usually need transport prep, interstate freight, load/offload services, export documentation, and international transport services.
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You can hire a broker as a buyer.

I think, most of the time, the surveyor and engine surveyor are two different people
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I think, most of the time, the surveyor and engine surveyor are two different people
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Thanks all - I'll work from the last post up and reply, I haven't heard back from the seller in 24hrs - i'm wondering if he thinks i'm Nigerian as well ........hopefully not.
- yes i expected mechanic/engineer & the surveyor to be a different person - i can always hope.
- yes i will hire the services of a broker, i definitely understand the value of one, and will try in the north eastern sub forum to find someone thanks mystery, and yes i'm trying to do that homework.
- Understand the trailer requirements - and yes they are different
- Different electrical system isn't important in this case or most trailer boats - boat will not be plugged into shore power, everything on board will be 12v.
thanks to everyone for the help - hull truth is a great resource.
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