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Old 06-25-2019, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bront Antwoord View Post
I am aware of their advantages, but I don’t know enough to understand what a disadvantage would be? Would it be turning? Lack of grip on the back part of the hull at speed? Would beefier strakes help in turning?
Going slow, not using the hull for its potential. If your just running mid speed 35-40 mph, it does not make much difference. It also seats deeper off the water line.
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:12 AM
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I think the Barker bay is a Peters design?
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:21 AM
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Can we conclude this?
If you are a fisherman that likes to detect fish on plane with your transducer steps will make this impossible.
Steps will not help you at slower speeds.
If you do not like riding fast in chop, steps have no advantage and will probably make it harder to stay on plane at slower speeds.
Turning fast to avoid something with steps is more difficult in a mono hull than in a hull w/o steps. Are cats the same?

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Old 06-25-2019, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Can we conclude this?
If you are a fisherman that likes to detect fish on plane with your transducer steps will make this impossible.
Steps will not help you at slower speeds.
If you do not like riding fast in chop, steps have no advantage and will probably make it harder to stay on plane at slower speeds.
Turning fast to avoid something with steps is more difficult in a mono hull than in a hull w/o steps. Are cats the same?
I have made several S-turns at 60mph with a stepped hull and it was just as responsive as a non-step. It comes down to the design of the hull/bottom.

Cats require a much slower speed for turning, 35+/- mph.
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:45 AM
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Maybe we can get someone to comment who has experience with both hull types from the same manufacturer ? Like a 32’ SeaVee deep V vs a 32’ SeaVee Z stepped hull or Contenders of similar design and length.

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Old 06-25-2019, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Can we conclude this?
If you are a fisherman that likes to detect fish on plane with your transducer steps will make this impossible.
Steps will not help you at slower speeds.
If you do not like riding fast in chop, steps have no advantage and will probably make it harder to stay on plane at slower speeds.
Turning fast to avoid something with steps is more difficult in a mono hull than in a hull w/o steps. Are cats the same?
You can easily detect fish on plane. You just have to put the thru Hull transducer in front of the steps.
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:16 AM
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My post from above was in reference to Contenders I have owned-- 31t then a 35 st....
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:47 AM
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How about on the Cats ? Are the advantages/Disadvantages more or less pronounced . Seems steps provide some big advantages to them .
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GR1FFIN View Post
I am on my second YF42 (stepped hull) and had a Venture 34 before (non-stepped). The only disadvantage of the stepped hull to me is that it falls off plane below 28-30 mph. So if you are often in nasty seas and want to go 15-30 mph the non-stepped would perform better. I could see wanting a non-stepped hull if you can't go above 35 mph a lot of the time due to sea conditions.
Just out of curiosity, what are you considering nasty seas? 2-3's, 3-4's, 5-6+'s?? just want to know at what level you are pulling back on speed. And, are you in the atlantic side or gulf of mexico?
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnDKnots View Post
Just out of curiosity, what are you considering nasty seas? 2-3's, 3-4's, 5-6+'s?? just want to know at what level you are pulling back on speed. And, are you in the atlantic side or gulf of mexico?
I am in the GOM.

Nasty seas are when I cant be fully on plane or I'll get airborne or be bangin the boat up too much. The seas that cause that depend on wave height, period, direction of travel and wave type. I cant give you a wave height only measurement because I've been in 15' rollers in Hawaii that were nothing (smooth and spaced out 100yards) and I've been in 5' chop in the GOM that goes straight up with white water rushing down the face like rapids and was definitely small craft advisory conditions.

But bottomline is stepped hulls are not good for very rough weather waves. If you like to dial the speed back to teens or 20's then the stepped hull is worse. For example if I fished offshore North Carolina I personally wouldnt want a stepped hull. If you want a broad definiton of nasty seas I'll say small craft advisory weather (or even less than but close to). But for the few times I dial it way back because of those conditions there are a 100 that I am cruising at 50-60 mph and lovin it.

In general terms:
If no white caps anywhere-- stepped hull is better
If you can see some white caps-- it is a wash
If lots of white caps-- non-stepped is better
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:21 PM
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have tested the 39 invincible open and the 37 invincible cat on the same day in 2-4 chop (lots of whitecaps)-both had impressive rides at all speeds-preferred the speed turns on the 39
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GR1FFIN View Post
I am in the GOM.

Nasty seas are when I cant be fully on plane or I'll get airborne or be bangin the boat up too much. The seas that cause that depend on wave height, period, direction of travel and wave type. I cant give you a wave height only measurement because I've been in 15' rollers in Hawaii that were nothing (smooth and spaced out 100yards) and I've been in 5' chop in the GOM that goes straight up with white water rushing down the face like rapids and was definitely small craft advisory conditions.

But bottomline is stepped hulls are not good for very rough weather waves. If you like to dial the speed back to teens or 20's then the stepped hull is worse. For example if I fished offshore North Carolina I personally wouldnt want a stepped hull. If you want a broad definiton of nasty seas I'll say small craft advisory weather (or even less than but close to). But for the few times I dial it way back because of those conditions there are a 100 that I am cruising at 50-60 mph and lovin it.

In general terms:
If no white caps anywhere-- stepped hull is better
If you can see some white caps-- it is a wash
If lots of white caps-- non-stepped is better
Thanks Gr1ffin! I appreciate the explanation. I'm out of Tampa, and when the seas do kick up they''ll have a tight frequency. I'm contemplating jumping from a 30' to a 34'. Majority of the boats I'm looking at are stepped, but wondering if I really need it. I have no problem going ot in 2-3's, but once the buoy goes over 3.5 my a$$ is staying home. I'm just looking for a more space and a more enjoyable 1.5hr ride out there lol.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:15 AM
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what are steps going to get you? Do you need the extra economy or speed? For texas GOM I do not, what I really need is a steel barge so I can stop the effect of the washing machine waters. When I lived in savannah, the wave period was always so great, that even 4 or 6 foot seas were smoother than the calmest days in texas. Hawaii is the same, no need for steps there most of the time. You can either skip on the surface or plow through it.....I prefer to plow.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnDKnots View Post
Thanks Gr1ffin! I appreciate the explanation. I'm out of Tampa, and when the seas do kick up they''ll have a tight frequency. I'm contemplating jumping from a 30' to a 34'. Majority of the boats I'm looking at are stepped, but wondering if I really need it. I have no problem going ot in 2-3's, but once the buoy goes over 3.5 my a$$ is staying home. I'm just looking for a more space and a more enjoyable 1.5hr ride out there lol.
Go with at least a 34' this will allow you to bridge the seas better than a 30' cc.

1st Sea-Trial. I can assure you that you will favor the stepped hull. GOM runs are very long inreach of fruitful fishing grounds. Efficiency & Speed will be a game changer whichever flavor you choose.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:15 PM
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Aw heck...just get you one of those newer Scarabs with the fake steps chopped out of the chine. LoL
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I'll be flamed for this, but I figure this thread is as good a place as any to debate this.

DISCLAIMER: I have not ridden on a step-hulled offshore fishing CC. Just some bay boats and go-fast styled boats. My opinion has no merit which is precisely why I'll be posing the question(s). I watch a lot of those ZipZap Power vids on Youtube. A lot! I watch them on my 60+ inch tv, mostly, just so y'all know I'm not staring at a small pc/phone screen. It seems to me, that most of the more popular offshore CCs don't have that great of a ride when the inlets get rough. Obviously, I know wave conditions vary, and not every aspect is covered in a short internet clip. However, I do my best to really pay attention to how these boats land, how the people riding in them react, etc, etc. It's pretty rare that I see one that doesn't pound and seem to beat up the people riding in it.

Side note: yes, I also see non-stepped hulls that beat the crap out of its occupants. I'm just surprised how many stepped-CCs I'm seeing beat up its occupants.

So I ask; am I wrong? Does a non-stepped CC land softer than a step CC? If you own one of these CCs, please fill me in on how she rides when it gets rough.
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I watch most also and usually post them here . I see a lot of different skill levels of captains on ZipZap though I get where your coming from . I would venture to say an old 30'ish foot CC repower is probably run better than the pretty , new one with custom painted engines . Doesn't seem to matter who's driving a Freeman thru there .
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it is difficult to make broad comparisons-boats in general each has its own ride/characteristics -based not just on hull design; but weight, length, width, etc. all come into play-that is why I would suggest testing boats that you are considering in the conditions you will be using it in and not buying off of generalizations and others opinions
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