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Old 06-17-2019, 06:39 PM
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Hi I own a 2009 Pursuit 315 OS with a pair of Yamaha 250ís. I want to re-power to 300ís. Which brand would be the most reliable Yamaha, Suzuki or Mercury?
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:58 PM
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You could get a bad apple from any of these manufacturers but beyond that I think Yamaha offers the most reliable and lasting outboard. I had 2 bad apple mercs and donít even consider them anymore. Many folks have had great luck with merc.

Im still scratching my head on Suzuki. Attractive price,everything included and good looking motor.
I have a fairly new 150 hrs Yamaha and have never had any issues at all.

If you have done much research youíve seen where folks have had to cut drive shafts with n the zukes. Stripped prop shafts blamed on soft metal and water getting to drive shaft. Also electronic glitches seem to happen. Iíve considered Suzuki but I canít feel great about them yet.
Be nice to hear that some of these major issues have been corrected. Many many people on the fence. Many more have jumped and love their Suzukiís.

if you plan to keep the motor long term go Yamaha. If only keeping for a year or so Zuke or yam be fine.

You will get opinionated responses. The unknown is how long will the zukes last. We know Yamaha f300 last. Time will tell.
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All good motors.
go with the best deal $.......you will get years of service from any of them
i have a pair of Verado 300's. 1500 hrs. Changed alternators, trim cylinder seals. Very smooth and quiet

I have a single YamF300 no issues, lower hrs. Not as quiet or smooth as the mercs, but it is a single in a smaller boat

as far as Suzuki. I had a 90 Zuke for 3 seasons, nicest outboard I have ever owned. If I repower I will get a Zuke

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I think you will be good with any of them.
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If you need two motors, you may want to get one of each.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post
You could get a bad apple from any of these manufacturers but beyond that I think Yamaha offers the most reliable and lasting outboard. I had 2 bad apple mercs and donít even consider them anymore. Many folks have had great luck with merc.

Im still scratching my head on Suzuki. Attractive price,everything included and good looking motor.
I have a fairly new 150 hrs Yamaha and have never had any issues at all.

If you have done much research youíve seen where folks have had to cut drive shafts with n the zukes. Stripped prop shafts blamed on soft metal and water getting to drive shaft. Also electronic glitches seem to happen. Iíve considered Suzuki but I canít feel great about them yet.
Be nice to hear that some of these major issues have been corrected. Many many people on the fence. Many more have jumped and love their Suzukiís.

if you plan to keep the motor long term go Yamaha. If only keeping for a year or so Zuke or yam be fine.

You will get opinionated responses. The unknown is how long will the zukes last. We know Yamaha f300 last. Time will tell.
You left out Yamís making oil problem? Also fyi the Suzuki DF300 has been around longer than the Yam F300...
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Can’t believe people still post if you want reliability go with Yamaha.What a crock a shit.Yamaha at the moment is prolly #3.Yami has been sitting on there ass the last 10 yrs while Merc and Zuke have passed them by
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Owners don't talk about it much but Merc Verados seem to have quite a few nit pick issues. Sensors seem to be the most common. Cant really go wrong with Yamaha 300's if you can afford them. Want to save 7 grand go with Suzuki.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:45 PM
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The Mercury 300's are a year out if you're lucky. The Suzuki's are available now and I think the Yamaha's are around as well. I think there is a roughly $15,000 difference between them if not a bit more.

For what it's worth I have 2017 300 Suzuki's with 86 hours on them and a very good friend is a Mercury dealer. If I could get a set of the new Mercurys I'd sell my Suzuki's for the switch.
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Originally Posted by foster6656 View Post
Canít believe people still post if you want reliability go with Yamaha.What a crock a shit.Yamaha at the moment is prolly #3.Yami has been sitting on there ass the last 10 yrs while Merc and Zuke have passed them by
Hmmmm, seems a bit far fetched.
Maybe no reason to change the F300 is, well, because it works?
During Yamaha's shortage, Mercury gained ground on OEM sales because they had product, now with eliminating the Verado I6 and going with the V Verado production has slowed.
Suzuki went after the re-power market, which is a small percentage of Yamaha and Mercury's production.
While you may think Yamaha is number 3, it is not.
Yamaha and Mercury are still at the top, Mercury probably overall with engine sales in the US, Yamaha a bit more so in the outboard side, Suzuki a distant third.
Yamaha and Mercury have a much better service infrastructure throughout the US, however Suzuki is growing.
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If you switch away from Yamaha, consider the reputation of the Dealer first. If you don't like the rep and your history with your current dealer and/or service for the Yamahas, move away from them.
That should play in your decision if I were you.
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Stick with the brand that provides the absolute best local dealer service. What good is an engine that you can’t get serviced if a problem should show up?
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For me, if money is no object I'm not going with any of those three, I'm going with etec g2. I think they outperform, look great, and they have the longest warranty coverage. They aren't cheap though. If I'm concerned about $$$ I'm probably going Suzuki, they are priced best by far. Last consideration is probably repowering with same brand as what you have now in order to save money on your rigging.
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Stick with the brand that provides the absolute best local dealer service. What good is an engine that you canít get serviced if a problem should show up?
When a dealer doesnít push his own brand, but instead tells you to get the outboard who has the best service closest to you, I would pay attention. With a few exceptions, they all build good motors now.
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Originally Posted by redseacraft View Post
Owners don't talk about it much but Merc Verados seem to have quite a few nit pick issues. Sensors seem to be the most common. Cant really go wrong with Yamaha 300's if you can afford them. Want to save 7 grand go with Suzuki.
You hit the nail on the head.
Post before yours the guy says Yamaha is #3.

#3?? How so? Merc canít even get you a motor but they WILL build you one if you pay in full. Take you months to get one( some models). The verado makes me laugh. You ever had to replace the super charger? I know someone who did. It werenít cheap.

so now merc. Is lighter and better technology than Yamaha. Leaving Yamaha in the dirt..... really? Where are they. I was in masonboro inlet Saturday. All I saw was Yamaha Suzukiís and Johnsonís.

Suzuki is a price point motor. I will not bash Suzuki. They have had some issues but so have the other guys. I know folks that are very happy with Their zukes. For me itís to early. I want to see folks getting some years on them first. THEN Iíll take a look.

To say yamaha has is 3rd is funny. Iíd never pay merc for a motor and wait months for it. Thatís nuts to me.

Id never buy a motor just because itís a few grand cheaper either.

Yamaha.... #1 on the water
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All the way Suzuki....
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post

You hit the nail on the head.
Post before yours the guy says Yamaha is #3.

#3?? How so? Merc canít even get you a motor but they WILL build you one if you pay in full. Take you months to get one( some models). The verado makes me laugh. You ever had to replace the super charger? I know someone who did. It werenít cheap.

so now merc. Is lighter and better technology than Yamaha. Leaving Yamaha in the dirt..... really? Where are they. I was in masonboro inlet Saturday. All I saw was Yamaha Suzukiís and Johnsonís.

Suzuki is a price point motor. I will not bash Suzuki. They have had some issues but so have the other guys. I know folks that are very happy with Their zukes. For me itís to early. I want to see folks getting some years on them first. THEN Iíll take a look.

To say yamaha has is 3rd is funny. Iíd never pay merc for a motor and wait months for it. Thatís nuts to me.

Id never buy a motor just because itís a few grand cheaper either.

Yamaha.... #1 on the water

Um..... But um..... have you ordered a motor recently? Are you not in the loop on the issues getting the 250 sho or the 300 Yamaha? The issueswith the 350??? Just saying you may to read up a little before you make that statement I have dealt with a lot of boat manufacturers that have been very frustrated with all of the engine manufacturers ability to deliver engines on time and the issues I mentioned above are all common knowledge with multiple threads on here talking about those issues. I think both of you are off a little bit and more than likely showing a little bias to your favorite engine which is just fine and expected.

Yamaha, Suzuki and Merc all have their best and worst. Yamaha lost me when they dropped the 350 that had so many issues, they have historically been better than that! Our dealership sold a gentleman a quad 350 Yamaha boat against our advice and we watched three of the four engines get replaced in the first season they used the boat! That's first hand knowledge and one of several issues we saw with that motor over the last three years that I personally watched happen. We have another client with a warehouse stocked full of Yamaha 300 parts that he has to replace the most (his fleet pushes them up north of 3,000 and 4,000 hours and he has a fleet of about 20) and the only reason he hasn't swapped over to Verados is because he hasn't used all of his spare parts yet and his personal boat has trip Merc Verados. Ther eare just as many stories out there from Yamaha fans about Mercs so understand my point is to the gentleman that are talking about old Verado issues and claiming Yamaha is the only motor worth looking at unless you want to save a dime and then buy Suzuki which they feel is a subpar engine.

The sensor issues with the Mercs was the original generation along with the lower unit issues and those have long been fixed, like over 10 years ago! Now the issues they have are the same random issues the Yamaha 300 or Suzuki 300 have and it's random from boat to boat but they have taken over as my favorite engine (For now). I feel like the best most reliable engine is a constantly moving target.

The current market for brand new motors are all pretty close in reliability with a few excepts and engines that aren't "real life tested yet". If I was purchasing a new engine for a repower I would go talk to my favorite new engine dealer and go with what he recommended based on warranty costs. Specifically asking which warranty covers the engine the best and also has the best manufacturer to dealer relationship. Some dealerships have much better relationships with their manufacturer rep than others and between that and high volume sometimes they can get parts or replacement motors in a pinch whereas Joe Blow from timbuctwo is on the regular low volume pain in the butt list and just waits for their turn on the list instead of trying to get things done for their customer. I'm with David Wade above, go talk to the dealer that you want to do business with and make your decision based on service and FYI everyone ends up with some sort of issue at some point and that experience will be the difference maker in the long run.
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Originally Posted by ashcreek View Post
Um..... But um..... have you ordered a motor recently? Are you not in the loop on the issues getting the 250 sho or the 300 Yamaha? The issueswith the 350??? Just saying you may to read up a little before you make that statement I have dealt with a lot of boat manufacturers that have been very frustrated with all of the engine manufacturers ability to deliver engines on time
You should check also.
There are no issue's with getting those engines. Haven't been since last fall.

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You left out Yamís making oil problem? Also fyi the Suzuki DF300 has been around longer than the Yam F300...
Thatís based on break in. I canít tell you why the break in instructions are what they are. I broke in my yamaha MY way based on advice from a motor guy(gear head) and my motor honestly makes zero oil. No smell of gas and exact same level when changed.
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Suzuki, unless you want to pay more for a Yamaha for no reason other then it is a Yamaha.
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