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Old 06-21-2019, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by davepjr71 View Post
You do realize that companies look for the cheapest product they can buy in bulk? It's not about what is the best but what costs them the least. Not knocking Suzuki at all but it seems many people don't know how purchasing decisions are made for corporations and Government entities.
Thats not true. I have a buddy who has two seatow franchises. One in Atlantic City and the other in Naples. He looks for longevity as the hours and abuse they put the motors through is insane. He would buy the most expensive motors if they lasted longer.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:19 AM
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Canít believe people still post if you want reliability go with Yamaha.What a crock a shit.Yamaha at the moment is prolly #3.Yami has been sitting on there ass the last 10 yrs while Merc and Zuke have passed them by
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I think those who blindly support Yamaha without question have never owned anything else. They have had good luck with their motor and think it must be the best. It is bizzare how f350 owners think its no big deal to have to get new flywheels installed a couple times a year. Maybe they never use their boats so dont need to do it very often? Id like to see some evidence that a Yamaha has a higher resale value.
Now Suzuki owners have all owned other brands in the past that they were not satisfied with. Their frustration with the other brands have led them to try a Suzuki.
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Old 06-22-2019, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by barrell View Post
I think those who blindly support Yamaha without question have never owned anything else. They have had good luck with their motor and think it must be the best. It is bizzare how f350 owners think its no big deal to have to get new flywheels installed a couple times a year. Maybe they never use their boats so dont need to do it very often? Id like to see some evidence that a Yamaha has a higher resale value.
Now Suzuki owners have all owned other brands in the past that they were not satisfied with. Their frustration with the other brands have led them to try a Suzuki.
One other thing to consider apart from value is the probability of being able to sell a more popular brand sooner than one would be able to sell a less popular brand. There would probably be a wider audience for a used Suzuki than for a less popular brand, say a Tohatsu or an Evinrude.

Regarding resale values, see below. I looked at the retail price less the average used price. Apparently Yamaha takes the least hit. Interestingly enough, the amount of the hit seems to follow the brand popularity. Yamaha, Mercury, Suzuki, Evinrude. A coincidence?

There was no cherry picking. I posted the first motors of each brand that I came to.
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Old 06-22-2019, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by barrell View Post
I think those who blindly support Yamaha without question have never owned anything else. They have had good luck with their motor and think it must be the best. It is bizzare how f350 owners think its no big deal to have to get new flywheels installed a couple times a year. Maybe they never use their boats so dont need to do it very often? Id like to see some evidence that a Yamaha has a higher resale value.
Now Suzuki owners have all owned other brands in the past that they were not satisfied with. Their frustration with the other brands have led them to try a Suzuki.
To clarify this statement.
The rotors need to be changed at 80hrs run time in the RPM range of 3400 to 4250 rpm. We are finding that is taking and average of 2-3 years for the majority of customers. Not "a couple of times a year".

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Old 06-22-2019, 08:33 AM
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Iím not sure that there are any major problems with Suzuki. We may very well have the best outboards ever made especially in these newer models that are flying off the shelfís. I know a zerk fitting was added to help keep the shafts from corroding and sticking. Few years ago people were having oil leaking out. Thatís apparently been addressed as you never hear of that anymore. There are anodes all over the thing which is great. They are accessible also. Suzuki seems to be easier to maintain one example is the anodes which are easier to get to.

On the f 350...... what has protected Yamaha from the same type of class action mercury went through with the late 90ís optibomb? How can a motor be brought to market with an issue like this? How in heck is it even possible? Are these motors not run for millions of hours before they are put out? Itís like certain fact lures are intentional to force us to have to take our motor in. I can see how folks would turn away from Yamaha over the flywheel thing. Iíd love to know if they would buy faulty motors back. By law I think they should be required to.

People want to turn the key and go. Whether you turn the wrenches or take your motor to a dealer we all want the same thing. We want our motors to run.

Ive heard of a lot of Suzukiís throwing codes. Sensors I think. How good are these fly by wire systems? Is there a quality issue with sensors? If so is Suzuki improving the quality? It may not be a design flaw issue. Certainly f350 fly wheels were. Did Yamaha fix this for newer models??? If so why isnít it all over the web. I mean thatís huge! Lots of people avoid them who donít know if the issue is fixed.

Alloyboy was right. People who bought Yamahas and never had issues lean that way. Folks who have had an issue with a brand shy from it. I wonít EVER trust mercury again after what they made me go through with the optipop I had years ago. They couldnít give me a motor.

I honestly had a dealer tell tell me yamaha is a better engine. I brought up Suzuki without knowing he sold them. I knew him as a Yamaha dealer only. He said he sells them and in a year has only had one come back for a minor issue. He went on to say they are a little cheaper made and that Yamaha is the better of the two quality wise but that they havenít seen many issues other than paint fading.

Yamaha Suzuki and Honda are brands Iíd trust. People are paying as much for motors as they are for cars and trucks. They should be built to last.
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Originally Posted by foster6656 View Post
Can’t believe people still post if you want reliability go with Yamaha.What a crock a shit.Yamaha at the moment is prolly #3.Yami has been sitting on there ass the last 10 yrs while Merc and Zuke have passed them by
Go to the Yamaha parts catalog and look up the new models that Yamaha has introduced within the last 10 years.

If that is sitting on their arses, then god help us when they get up. New models will be flying out every month. Or week.
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Go to the Yamaha parts catalog and look up the new models that Yamaha has introduced within the last 10 years.

If that is sitting on their arses, then god help us when they get up. New models will be flying out every month. Or week.



People "assume" because Yamaha hasn't come out with a new F300 or an F350 they are sitting on their laurels. What they fail to realize is that even though those engines have a "big" market in The SE, LA, TX and some NE,
In reality, there is much more to Yamaha's outboard market and they continually improve the product, the F25 for example, something that gets poo pooed here on THT.
Plus all the other improvements though the line.
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I guess the direct injection four stroke XF375 and XF425 don't count because they weigh too much. Or have too many fuel pumps.
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My only experience with Yamaha is with the f 150 f 175 and the f 300. With the reliability Iíve seen from these models, I donít think they really need to introduce anything ďnewĒ.

Suzuki can get 350 hp by using prop technology. Some people subscribe to that type of technology and some donít. Higher gear ratios and rpm ranges are great to some folks and some folks think it will lead to faster wear.

we have choices and thatís a good thing.

We can always argue on whoís best but if we can afford a Yamaha that doesnít make it best . If we save money my going with Zuke that doesnít make it best. Staying out of the shop and on the water for the most service free hours is the only truth of whoís the best.

Heres what has been best FOR ME
Early 80ís mercury
late 1980ís johnson

yamaha 4stroke 150 and 175

yamaha f300
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post
My only experience with Yamaha is with the f 150 f 175 and the f 300. With the reliability Iíve seen from these models, I donít think they really need to introduce anything ďnewĒ.

Suzuki can get 350 hp by using prop technology. Some people subscribe to that type of technology and some donít. Higher gear ratios and rpm ranges are great to some folks and some folks think it will lead to faster wear.

we have choices and thatís a good thing.

We can always argue on whoís best but if we can afford a Yamaha that doesnít make it best . If we save money my going with Zuke that doesnít make it best. Staying out of the shop and on the water for the most service free hours is the only truth of whoís the best.

Heres what has been best FOR ME
Early 80ís mercury
late 1980ís johnson

yamaha 4stroke 150 and 175

yamaha f300
You sound like a broken damn record. Your first ten post in this thread have all said the exact damn thing and in a very long winded manor. We get. Everyone gets it. Move on!
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You sound like a broken damn record. Your first ten post in this thread have all said the exact damn thing and in a very long winded manor. We get. Everyone gets it. Move on!
Sounds like someone is offended by someone else's truth.
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Sounds like some people like brand A, others like brand B, C, etc. and couldn’t be persuaded otherwise.

Some like to do their research and homework to achieve what they feel like is the best value for their use and money.

Others just will argue with a damn fence post.

I tend to fall into all three categories, all at once.
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Old 06-22-2019, 02:28 PM
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The reality is that all modern day engines are extremely reliable, and are literally years ahead in technology compared to their ancestors.
I think that decisions should be made by the service/repair availability and cost, any modern marine engine has the same probability of being a lemon as the other brand.

Seems like with modern outboards, you should "buy" the service center first, then the engine...
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post

Suzuki can get 350 hp by using prop technology.
What does this mean?
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In my personal opinion, I believe that Evinrude would take the cake for quality. I agree with the fact that nowadays technology on these motors is insanely ahead of its time. From my experience, Mercury has lost its quality. They were at there peak in the '70s through '90s. Nothing beats a good old fashioned two stroke if you want real power.
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For what its worth, I had Yamaha 300's for three years. No problems - great motor. Just put Merc V8 300 on a new bay boat. Love the motor. Compared to Yamaha 300 - lots of torque, smoother, quieter, cheaper, lighter in my configuration, easier to check oil and higher alternator output. As for reliability - so far so good. If I had to make a decision again, I would go with Merc V8.
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In my personal opinion, I believe that Evinrude would take the cake for quality. I agree with the fact that nowadays technology on these motors is insanely ahead of its time. From my experience, Mercury has lost its quality. They were at there peak in the '70s through '90s. Nothing beats a good old fashioned two stroke if you want real power.
Unfortunately you have no clue what you're talking about. Don't think Merc's quality was that great in the 70's through the 90's, but it is today. The probably led the way in performance then but what's better than the new Merc 4 strokes?
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post

Thatís based on break in. I canít tell you why the break in instructions are what they are. I broke in my yamaha MY way based on advice from a motor guy(gear head) and my motor honestly makes zero oil. No smell of gas and exact same level when changed.
Those Yamaha "break-in" instructions sound like a complete list of how not to break in an engine, and have glazed bores and poor ring seating. They just make me scratch my head. Got to bed those rings in the bore, and runnig around for two hours under 2000rpm, where you can't even plane the hull, is just crazy.
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The rotors need to be changed at 80hrs run time in the RPM range of 3400 to 4250 rpm. We are finding that is taking and average of 2-3 years for the majority of customers. Not "a couple of times a year".
Ole good Morning. Sorry I'm confused on this one. The rotor/Flywheel? Needs to be changed every 80 hours on the F300 or F350? I don't understanding ?? I know you more about this than anyone on here.
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