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Old 06-14-2019, 08:37 PM
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I keep seeing videos of Yamaha four stroke outboards failing. Here are just a couple examples:






I am also worried that they have to resort to videos like this to make oil changes look appealing:


Are they scared that the public will realize it is a PITA to do oil changes when your boat is on a lift? Are they scared their engines have poor fuel economy compared to some of their competitors? Do you think they will make the move to DI two strokes in order to get better fuel economy, better torque, and avoid all of the four stroke oil changes and maintenance?

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Old 06-14-2019, 08:55 PM
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You figured it all out
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Old 06-14-2019, 08:58 PM
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I am still trying to get that gal to come over to do an oil change...... on my Promax 300.....2 strokes.... ;-)
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If they really wanted to make this interesting she would suck the oil out.
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:43 PM
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You may wanna ask Yamaha about their BOGO offer to regain consumer confidence.
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How long until Alloyboy can't ignore the urge to respond with the ultimate irony. This is making THT great again. Set the trap.
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Originally Posted by SeaCat22 View Post
You may wanna ask Yamaha about their BOGO offer to regain consumer confidence.
Is that like if you pay full MSRP and let the dealer rig it, they throw in another one but you pay to rig that one too?
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Old 06-15-2019, 02:54 AM
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So you found 3 videos of a broken product but didn't give any kind of data that shows how many are defective vs not being defective? I don't know what you see on the water powering boats but I swear it seems like they gave away Yamaha's to dealers because 8 out of 10 have one or more on the back. I don't care what industry you want to criticize you will find issues with them all because mechanical items break, vendor detail parts fail, etc.

If I were as concerned as you I just wouldn't buy a Yamaha. I'll keep running my old one until it breaks then I'll put a new one on it but I have a feeling that's going to be a while.....
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Originally Posted by trout25red View Post
How long until Alloyboy can't ignore the urge to respond with the ultimate irony. This is making THT great again. Set the trap.
Right now alloyboy has a new 3 cyl etec brochure and a tub of petroleum jelly. He will be back on here when he's done.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:26 AM
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Oil change video is not from Yamaha...
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:37 AM
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Just looking around my marina, people are buying a lot of Yamaha 4-strokes. I see very few 2-strokes any more and very few other brands besides Yamaha.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:51 AM
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Well, I just blew my second 300 in 10 months but they are HPDIs so......
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Cheap Chinese sourced metals being used. Inferior craftsmanship. Weak and antiquated design. Crap data that confuses/misleads the mechanics. Customer service non-existent. Terrible warranty support due to Yamaha being overrun with excessive warranty claims. Unavailability of product if one was fool enough to want a Yamaha.

It is no wonder that Yamaha after Yamaha after Yamaha are failing. I am wondering how much longer they can hold on and survive while continuing to fool the public. Maybe they need to go back to offering two stroke carburetted models exclusively. They got way in over their heads with four stroke EFI's.
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Don't stop there...tell us all how you really feel about Yamaha
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:34 AM
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Who was Mercury getting all their 4-stroke power heads from, for how many years
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Cheap Chinese sourced metals being used. Inferior craftsmanship. Weak and antiquated design. Crap data that confuses/misleads the mechanics. Customer service non-existent. Terrible warranty support due to Yamaha being overrun with excessive warranty claims. Unavailability of product if one was fool enough to want a Yamaha.

It is no wonder that Yamaha after Yamaha after Yamaha are failing. I am wondering how much longer they can hold on and survive while continuing to fool the public. Maybe they need to go back to offering two stroke carburetted models exclusively. They got way in over their heads with four stroke EFI's.
Not my or a single one of my friends experience at all.
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Maintain your lower units

When you drain the oil, you have to fill it back up!
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I am just concerned is all. Up until recently, I had a Contender powered by a single Yamaha F250. The boat was kept on a lift, but the motor got expensive to maintain and doing oil changes was a PITA. Nice boat though, my friend is enjoying it (well it's in the shop now for maintenance on the motor, but the hull is very nice). I see the public hasn't taken kindly to their new 425 outboard, which weighs as much as the Seven Marine motor with far less horsepower. I'm starting to see more and more Evinrude G2 motors on the water, and even some of the new Mercury four strokes. I am worried about Yamaha's fate. I know they are still buying transoms, but if that stops, what is going to be left to hold up Yamaha? I just don't want to see this wonderful company go down the shitter
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Cheap Chinese sourced metals being used. Inferior craftsmanship. Weak and antiquated design. Crap data that confuses/misleads the mechanics. Customer service non-existent. Terrible warranty support due to Yamaha being overrun with excessive warranty claims. Unavailability of product if one was fool enough to want a Yamaha.

It is no wonder that Yamaha after Yamaha after Yamaha are failing. I am wondering how much longer they can hold on and survive while continuing to fool the public. Maybe they need to go back to offering two stroke carburetted models exclusively. They got way in over their heads with four stroke EFI's.
Alloyboy, you are right. Since you are THT's premier Yamaha representative, I trust your judgement above all else. I should add all of your concerns to my previous post. What can we do to stop Yamaha from going out of business?
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Originally Posted by Fatbill View Post
I am just concerned is all. Up until recently, I had a Contender powered by a single Yamaha F250. The boat was kept on a lift, but the motor got expensive to maintain and doing oil changes was a PITA. Nice boat though, my friend is enjoying it (well it's in the shop now for maintenance on the motor, but the hull is very nice). I see the public hasn't taken kindly to their new 425 outboard, which weighs as much as the Seven Marine motor with far less horsepower. I'm starting to see more and more Evinrude G2 motors on the water, and even some of the new Mercury four strokes. I am worried about Yamaha's fate. I know they are still buying transoms, but if that stops, what is going to be left to hold up Yamaha? I just don't want to see this wonderful company go down the shitter
Do you have ANYTHING to back this up?
Seriously.
Yamaha has probably sold more XF425's in the last year, than Seven has in total.
Buying transom's from whom?
Yamaha's sales last year and the year before were up some 17% or so.
What proof do you have to make these statements?
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