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Old 06-13-2019, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hi_c View Post
The noise issue keeps coming up. I wonder how many of you concerned with noise have been on an ETEC equipped boat recently. I would venture itís 1-3 decibels louder than a 4 stroke at idle and equally as loud as the tell tale pissing water into the river. At cruise and WOT, comparably equal and ignored due to wind/wake noise.
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"Because it can be a challenge to get an inline engine with an odd number of cylinders to run smoothly, Evinrude installed balance gears on the top and bottom of the crankshaft. Think of it like a harmonic balancer on the crankshaft of an inboard or stern drive engine. The lower motor mounts are also set at a 25 to 30-degree angle to isolate vibration. One of the operating traits that Evinrude has been challenged to improve by customers is running noise with its current generation E-TECs and those concerns have been addressed with the new motors. I ran a 115 HO with a tiller on an Alumacraft and the 140 and 150 on other boats and the motors were as quiet as any four-stroke Iíve operated. Additionally, the holeshot and mid-range punch were potent. "
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hi_c View Post
The noise issue keeps coming up. I wonder how many of you concerned with noise have been on an ETEC equipped boat recently. I would venture itís 1-3 decibels louder than a 4 stroke at idle and equally as loud as the tell tale pissing water into the river. At cruise and WOT, comparably equal and ignored due to wind/wake noise.
Would that noise level be applicable to a 2015 200hp Etec DSL ? It's on a boat I like 9 hrs away.So noise, warranty, dealer service availability, are important.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:51 AM
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I just purchased my whole pkg in 2017. My first 4s, and replacing a 20 yo Yamaha 2s.

My top 2 choices in Outboards were Yamaha and Suzuki, the only 2 brands I have had in the last 30 years. Neither Brand has given me any grief, in 6 units.

Dealer for both are Competent and within 30 minute drives. Price and Warranty, made my choice.

3rd on the list was Evinrude, because of it being a 2s. The only 4s experience I had to judge by was a late 90's Carbureted 4s which was a Dog, by memory. Fuel Injection, and New 4s Tech, has bridged that gap, I am not upset by my decision. But if these motors been out in 2017, My choice would have been Much Harder!
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cfauvel View Post
....for outboard sales share?

Would be curious to know the numbers.

No outboard company gives those figures out.

Unless something changed in the past year, the last I heard was Merc is #1 in all US outboard sales, Yamaha is a close #2 (#1 in the saltwater market), Suzuki in the last few years moved up to #3 mostly due to low prices, Evinrude is #4, and Honda is #5 and Tohatsu #6 (but that may change very soon if not already)
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:20 PM
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Mostly due to low prices or maybe the fact they work. I am willing to bet they have a much larger return to repower with the same brand then BRP.



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No outboard company gives those figures out.

Unless something changed in the past year, the last I heard was Merc is #1 in all US outboard sales, Yamaha is a close #2 (#1 in the saltwater market), Suzuki in the last few years moved up to #3 mostly due to low prices, Evinrude is #4, and Honda is #5 and Tohatsu #6 (but that may change very soon if not already)

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Old 06-13-2019, 02:43 PM
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I was on a twin 200 boat last week. I could definately tell the engine was running at idle. We could talk when on plane but big difference. To be fair the CC has a lot more wind noise too.

At idle landing my boat a yami can be forgotten it's on. I hear starters singing all the time because with the ramp noise you have to look at the tachometer to know if it's on. Alm oi st too quiet in that situation.

I'm ordering pair. I'm also ordering some sound proofing material to do my best to get that idle more quiet.

The easy fix for BRP is to increase the size of the covers just a bit and include lead sheet and foam inside as needed. The science is easy.
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumpsummo View Post
I was on a twin 200 boat last week. I could definately tell the engine was running at idle. We could talk when on plane but big difference. To be fair the CC has a lot more wind noise too.

At idle landing my boat a yami can be forgotten it's on. I hear starters singing all the time because with the ramp noise you have to look at the tachometer to know if it's on. Alm oi st too quiet in that situation.

I'm ordering pair. I'm also ordering some sound proofing material to do my best to get that idle more quiet.

The easy fix for BRP is to increase the size of the covers just a bit and include lead sheet and foam inside as needed. The science is easy.
Aren't we the crowd that wants outboard engines lighter and smaller?

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Old 06-13-2019, 09:29 PM
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5# is about all it would add. It's a paper thin lead shred sandwiched by foam.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Forget the Mercury forthcoming no-news event, what is going on with the other Wisconsin company?

https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/tech/...rowth-strategy
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5# is about all it would add. It's a paper thin lead shred sandwiched by foam.
Where can I get this lead/ foam?
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Originally Posted by Inthetrof View Post
Where can I get this lead/ foam?
Google soundproofing lead. There are other products that may be as good. There's a weighted vinyl. Didn't I already post links? Look back a few pages.
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Originally Posted by Jumpsummo View Post
Google soundproofing lead. There are other products that may be as good. There's a weighted vinyl. Didn't I already post links? Look back a few pages.
Thx, will check
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Old 06-14-2019, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Inthetrof View Post
Where can I get this lead/ foam?
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Google soundproofing lead. There are other products that may be as good. There's a weighted vinyl. Didn't I already post links? Look back a few pages.
You guys do realize that since the 80's OB manufacturers have been trying to make their OB's lighter. They used this foam in 80-90's Yamaha Cowlings, ever lift one of them?
One issue? With the heat, it's hard to find an adhesive to hold it up, not without a mechanical fastener to assist.
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Originally Posted by Blazer7420 View Post
You guys do realize that since the 80's OB manufacturers have been trying to make their OB's lighter. They used this foam in 80-90's Yamaha Cowlings, ever lift one of them?
One issue? With the heat, it's hard to find an adhesive to hold it up, not without a mechanical fastener to assist.
Mercury also installed a lead lined cowling on their larger engines back in the mid-late 1980's & you have to be in really good shape to lift one off.
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Old 06-14-2019, 03:50 AM
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Please BRP, do not make them quiet as a Vrod or require maintenance like a 4 stroke just to try to fit in.

2 complaints seem to fly on the internet regarding G2.
1) Because being a 2 stroke, reliability will suffer. You know, a crabbers idled his way to 5000 hours don't you know. I roll my eyes at that theoretical, fear-based, group think nonsense. But until someone can show performance edges to 4 stroke, I guess reliability will remain the topic of choice. Gotta have some straw to grasp.

2) Noise. They can't sip their wine coolers in as much peace in the harbor. When is the last time someone bragged about how quiet their muscle car idles? Evinrudes traditionally sound like they have testosterone in their system. They sound glorious and ready to do work. Everything else sounds as inspiring as a minivan...well not everything. Mercury sees through that nonsense and now markets more exhaust sound at the push of a button on some racing models. I haven't heard it personally, but people praise the sound. Of course they would enjoy the sound, just like probably half of the people whining about decibels have exhaust work to make their tow vehicle sound less like a minivan. Now forced induction cars pump fake engine noise into the cabin to avoid the weak Rav4-like sound. In the 90s, we were all amazed at how quiet a transom could be if we installed car engines on top of lower units. I think after 20 years of "Listen to how quiet..." is starting to turn towards "Listen to how good...". Makes sense to me.
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Old 06-14-2019, 04:11 AM
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It is fun to see how important noise level is at idle to most 4 stroke guys.. Then the same type of people say they don't care about fuel burn #'s at idle or trolling speeds because they are always cruising or at WOT...
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Inthetrof View Post
Where can I get this lead/ foam?
Depleted uranium/foam would be even better. Try and get it in at least the half inch thickness.
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:16 AM
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I actually like talking to people on my boat over yelling at them. I can hear the rods and birds better. I can hear the guy 100 feet away telling me he's got two in the box already. Caught them on Salty Dog.

I have two 454 hot rods. I don't use them for fishing.

I'm buying a pair of G2's. I'll share my experience trying to quiet them. One thing of note. They use multiple parts for covers so not lifting one back breaking part should be required.

Peak and stick foam won't cut it but it will work long enough for testing on a clean surface. Might find that coating the inside of all covers with sheets these OTC products makes a huge difference.

Do an hours reading. This is something we can solve for not a lot of money. My question is why Evinrude doesn't do something about it. I'm sure they have R&D who looked at this exact issue. Love to read a white paper by them.
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People that D.I.Y never look back at the fact of redoing something repeatedly. They will always justify by cost.
When someone is paid or charge to do something and continuously has to repair said services for "free" they then look at what it cost, and how to make it "work".
Good luck in your glue search.
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:21 AM
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If BRP wants to really take innovation to the next step, come out with a 4 stroke that is specifically designed to be serviced in the water or on the lift. They already have the long service interval lower unit figured out. Just use it, throw a modern 4 stroke power head on top of that and their integrated power steering setup, build in a clean method of pumping out the motor oil and changing the filter (as in so clean it will be viewed in a positive light by dockmasters), and boom, advantage BRP.

As I am many others have pointed out. The problem with BPR isn't their 2 stroke technology. By all accounts its a great product. The problem is the market perception of what 2 strokes are. In every other market, with possibly the exception of small handheld equipment, 2 strokes pretty well suck, and the marketing drives that point home........successfully. BRP has tried, and failed, to change that. Perhaps they should keep around the 2 stroke line for all of you folks that are obsessed with it (all 3-4% of yall), and release something for the rest of the market, because it's pretty apparent it's only the diehards that are writing checks.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
If BRP wants to really take innovation to the next step, come out with a 4 stroke that is specifically designed to be serviced in the water or on the lift. They already have the long service interval lower unit figured out. Just use it, throw a modern 4 stroke power head on top of that and their integrated power steering setup, build in a clean method of pumping out the motor oil and changing the filter (as in so clean it will be viewed in a positive light by dockmasters), and boom, advantage BRP.
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Absolutely nothing stopping the current 4-stroke makers from doing this or making a longer service interval lower unit. Why don't they just jump in and do it? Because it would reduce the dealer after the initial sale annuity stream that comes from more part$ and $ervice opportunitie$.
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