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Old 06-11-2019, 05:46 PM
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Their new 1.9L 3 cylinder lineup debuts tomorrow. CARB report shows 115, 135, 140, and 150 models.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:00 PM
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I think with the G2’s, the styling isn’t universally attractive (I personally like it), and they are pretty heavy. Some 4 strokes are lighter.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:09 PM
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If I am reading it right the inline 3, 1.9L also includes a 300hp (technically 291hp) per the carb report? Am I reading that right?
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokyMtnGrady View Post
It's either they are partnering with Mercury to offer a 4 stroke line or, or, since they are owned by a Canadian company ,every new Evinrude now comes with a free copy of Bryan Adams latest record plus an autographed picture of him. Maybe, it's both. I don't know just speculation on my part.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mtwhoosh View Post
If I am reading it right the inline 3, 1.9L also includes a 300hp (technically 291hp) per the carb report? Am I reading that right?
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:38 PM
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I saw NJ State Marine Police on the Delaware River with twin G2's on a semi rigid inflatable. How do they decide what to run?
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by njk4o5 View Post
man i hate mixing my oil with these new etecs. everyone tells me they are efficient and not smoky but mine smoke like crazy and i go through injectors every 50 hours
Lordy! Just when I got convinced to. buy Etec on my thread yesterday.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Harleys Gone View Post
I saw NJ State Marine Police on the Delaware River with twin G2's on a semi rigid inflatable. How do they decide what to run?
don't know about your specific Gov equipment, but, most are selected via a tender process, they don't "choose" what they want.
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:58 AM
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may be nothing is wrong with Evinrude

a link to a webinar by the CEO which includes the release of the new 1.9 litre motor
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:16 AM
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I live in Stuart by their test center. They have been running a 35 go fast type boat with triples. Saw it running down the river the other day. It was moving really fast and it sounded mean. V8s in the pipeline maybe?
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:19 AM
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I'm on my 4th Etec, currently own a G2 and have never had any issues.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Wicked4659 View Post
I'm on my 4th Etec, currently own a G2 and have never had any issues.
I don't think the point is whether or not they are a reliable platform, it's more a perception by the consumer that two stroke is old technology and therefore not as desirable as wanting a four stroke. I have a buddy that brokers and consigns boats and he will no longer take in a boat with an etec on it. He says they just sit.

So now you have consumers perception of etec becoming reality in the fact that the resale is poor. How as a company do you change that?

Producewhat the consumer is eating up.....four strokes!

Evinrude has tried for years to convince consumers that the performance, technology and reliability of the etec is up there with the four strokes. While it may be a better motor, people obviously aren't buying it.

To quote Danny Devito in "Other People's Money"

Lawrence Garfield : [In response to Jorgy's speech] Amen. And amen. And amen. You have to forgive me. I'm not familiar with the local custom. Where I come from, you always say "Amen" after you hear a prayer. Because that's what you just heard - a prayer. Where I come from, that particular prayer is called "The Prayer for the Dead." You just heard The Prayer for the Dead, my fellow stockholders, and you didn't say, "Amen." This company is dead. I didn't kill it. Don't blame me. It was dead when I got here. It's too late for prayers. For even if the prayers were answered, and a miracle occurred, and the yen did this, and the dollar did that, and the infrastructure did the other thing, we would still be dead. You know why? Fiber optics. New technologies. Obsolescence. We're dead alright. We're just not broke. And you know the surest way to go broke? Keep getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. Down the tubes. Slow but sure. You know, at one time there must've been dozens of companies making buggy whips. And I'll bet the last company around was the one that made the best goddamn buggy whip you ever saw. Now how would you have liked to have been a stockholder in that company? You invested in a business and this business is dead.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by signmansez View Post


I don't think the point is whether or not they are a reliable platform, it's more a perception by the consumer that two stroke is old technology and therefore not as desirable as wanting a four stroke. I have a buddy that brokers and consigns boats and he will no longer take in a boat with an etec on it. He says they just sit.

So now you have consumers perception of etec becoming reality in the fact that the resale is poor. How as a company do you change that?

Producewhat the consumer is eating up.....four strokes!

Evinrude has tried for years to convince consumers that the performance, technology and reliability of the etec is up there with the four strokes. While it may be a better motor, people obviously aren't buying it.

To quote Danny Devito in "Other People's Money"

Lawrence Garfield : [In response to Jorgy's speech] Amen. And amen. And amen. You have to forgive me. I'm not familiar with the local custom. Where I come from, you always say "Amen" after you hear a prayer. Because that's what you just heard - a prayer. Where I come from, that particular prayer is called "The Prayer for the Dead." You just heard The Prayer for the Dead, my fellow stockholders, and you didn't say, "Amen." This company is dead. I didn't kill it. Don't blame me. It was dead when I got here. It's too late for prayers. For even if the prayers were answered, and a miracle occurred, and the yen did this, and the dollar did that, and the infrastructure did the other thing, we would still be dead. You know why? Fiber optics. New technologies. Obsolescence. We're dead alright. We're just not broke. And you know the surest way to go broke? Keep getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. Down the tubes. Slow but sure. You know, at one time there must've been dozens of companies making buggy whips. And I'll bet the last company around was the one that made the best goddamn buggy whip you ever saw. Now how would you have liked to have been a stockholder in that company? You invested in a business and this business is dead.
Excellent analogy.
Sad but true.

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Old 06-12-2019, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by noelm View Post

no
yeah sorta figured. Almost impossible to look at that damn carb table correctly on a phone.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:02 AM
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“ BRP’s five-year plan, added Crocker, also includes having “something significant and new in the market on average about every six months.”

Sounds like the design, engineering and marketing teams will be working overtime.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by signmansez View Post


I don't think the point is whether or not they are a reliable platform, it's more a perception by the consumer that two stroke is old technology and therefore not as desirable as wanting a four stroke. I have a buddy that brokers and consigns boats and he will no longer take in a boat with an etec on it. He says they just sit.

So now you have consumers perception of etec becoming reality in the fact that the resale is poor. How as a company do you change that?

Producewhat the consumer is eating up.....four strokes!

Evinrude has tried for years to convince consumers that the performance, technology and reliability of the etec is up there with the four strokes. While it may be a better motor, people obviously aren't buying it.

To quote Danny Devito in "Other People's Money"

Lawrence Garfield : [In response to Jorgy's speech] Amen. And amen. And amen. You have to forgive me. I'm not familiar with the local custom. Where I come from, you always say "Amen" after you hear a prayer. Because that's what you just heard - a prayer. Where I come from, that particular prayer is called "The Prayer for the Dead." You just heard The Prayer for the Dead, my fellow stockholders, and you didn't say, "Amen." This company is dead. I didn't kill it. Don't blame me. It was dead when I got here. It's too late for prayers. For even if the prayers were answered, and a miracle occurred, and the yen did this, and the dollar did that, and the infrastructure did the other thing, we would still be dead. You know why? Fiber optics. New technologies. Obsolescence. We're dead alright. We're just not broke. And you know the surest way to go broke? Keep getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. Down the tubes. Slow but sure. You know, at one time there must've been dozens of companies making buggy whips. And I'll bet the last company around was the one that made the best goddamn buggy whip you ever saw. Now how would you have liked to have been a stockholder in that company? You invested in a business and this business is dead.
Pretty much. Even folks that aren't avid boaters know that "four strokes are better." Many would, if given the choice, take an old honda 130 over a 4-5 year old etec. Strictly based on perception.

No doubt BRP has a lot of $ tied up in the product line. The part I find baffling is they don't seem to stray away from 4 stroke in other market segments that have traditional been strictly 2 stroke. Specifically snow mobiles and PWC's. Yet on outboards they have taken a very hard headed approach that the market seems to largely not favor.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:19 AM
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How much of BRP's outboard business is military? Weren't they supplying the US military with motors that could run on any kind of fuel and no oil or something like that?
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by El Faster View Post
I'm not an Etec fan. I could give a crap, I'll never own another one.
I've probably read your reasons before but please explain what changed your mind?

More power?
Less Maintenance?
More warranty?
Lower cost?
American made.

What's not to love?
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:36 PM
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Hopefully not following in the foot steps of OMC. I had an 03 BRP johnson 150. Its on its forth owner (my neighbor) and no telling how many hours. I also have a 2016 seadoo RXT supercharged ski withe the FOX racing suspension. 3 years beat hard no issues. I like the company just think sticking with the 2 cycle was not the best business plan. Regardless of how good it is you have to sell it to people who want 4 strokes.
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Signman, I agree with you, I think ficht killed them and the reputation never left. I have pair of etec 300’s on my boat and they are by far better than the Yamaha and optimax I had on boats in the past few years. They are quiet, more efficient and I have not done any thing to them in the past few years. I don’t see any thing brp is doing that shows me they are looking to the future. They are avoiding larger hp engines where a lot of the market seems to be going for larger boats and seem to be in a holding pattern. When Yamaha was having problems years ago they bought out boat companies to push their engines while they were being sued for patent infringements etc. evenrude appearing to be going under during that period helped them acquire dealers that couldn’t get product and customers realizing the companies problems. Etec’s are a good engine with a bad rap and unless they move forward with newer technology and bigger hp they will continue to look as a bad investment.
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