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Old 06-20-2019, 05:27 PM
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If only I had been educated before my purchase
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I just typed a long response and then deleted it because I realize I just don't give enough of a shit to bicker with blowhard hypocrites.

OP, good luck with your search. All four of the boats you listed will make you very happy.
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I'm a gun guy..........just because one Remington Model 700 is called a custom deluxe or north american custom does not make it a custom rifle....mostly because you can buy one anywhere they sell guns or one of many remington dealers. I ordered my next duramax, which will hit the production line on 7/29/19, does that mean when it comes in it will be a Custom truck? I genuinely like sailfish boats, and in fact have bought 2 in the last 3 years on behalf of clients or friends b/c i thought it was the best they could get for their budgets that also fit their needs. But i have always been under the impression they were a production boat as I thought they had a dealer network with inventory, and proline can certainly be purchased new off a dealer's lot. When I think custom boat , even being an ignorant boat owner proline and sailfish wouldn't make my list bc I've never considered either a custom boat, always looked at sailfish as what a guy bought who couldn't afford an Everglades or Edgewater but wanted similar creature comforts and bells and whistles......and like coores, i think this is where the thread ends for me. Good luck OP , as others have said (well all but 1), you really can't go wrong with any of your list + contender or competition, imio (added i for ignorance)
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:26 PM
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Embrace the fact that some dudes just have more money than you and want to splurge on the highest end things they can. Well built boats or not, you guys sure as hell make me want to skip the next WW owners get together.
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Old 06-21-2019, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by reidyfleming View Post


you can re read my edit as it posted before I could type it.

and clearly this has now become you defending your Timex of a boat against Rolexís

so itís really just comical now

hey man enjoy your great fuel economy, nice ride, cheap cost and soft spots

if the OP wants real advice he can call anytime

until then OP
Conch - is best riding 27 likely ever made and designed well for south Florida

Seavee - is a well built all composite hand laid boat that fits well for south Florida

Onslow bay - also well built awesome ridding boat and fast but deck layout is not the best

White water - good fuel economy, nice ride but cheaply built using old materials and techniques! But youíll feel wanted and have every other white water owner on your dick telling you how smart you are at the dock in west end
I canít speak for the other boats mentioned, but explain to me how the Onslow deck layout isnít the best. I thought the layout is perfect, and you canít possibly get more in floor storage on a 24 degree deadrise boat with that gunnel height and 200 gallons of fuel.
My 27 Onslow has a huge gutter system, w great anti skid. I have a Huge Insulated forward fish box that 2 adults can easily get in, with 2 hatches, I have 2 midship in floor storage that flank the console. I have 2 even bigger in floor storage insulated fish boxes in rear of cockpit, and I would bet, the largest Bilge access an any boat in its class. Itís so big I am tempted to create some kind of removable false bottom box, that I can store dock lines and ropes, but fur safety reasons choose not to. I can crawl into it and lay down all way to transom of boat to see the plumbing for the livewell. And these are facts not opinions.
I really donít have a dog in this fight although I have a badass Onslow. But the fact you stated the deck layout, isnít great canít be farther than the truth.
And the comments about whitewater, are not justified. Itís a bad ass sled. These 4 boats mentioned Onslow, SeaVee, Whitewater, and Conch are waaaaay up at the top, And all 4 have builders that are a pleasure to work with.

Sorry, but had to chime in
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Old 06-21-2019, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PreciousCargo View Post


I can’t speak for the other boats mentioned, but explain to me how the Onslow deck layout isn’t the best. I thought the layout is perfect, and you can’t possibly get more in floor storage on a 24 degree deadrise boat with that gunnel height and 200 gallons of fuel.
My 27 Onslow has a huge gutter system, w great anti skid. I have a Huge Insulated forward fish box that 2 adults can easily get in, with 2 hatches, I have 2 midship in floor storage that flank the console. I have 2 even bigger in floor storage insulated fish boxes in rear of cockpit, and I would bet, the largest Bilge access an any boat in its class. It’s so big I am tempted to create some kind of removable false bottom box, that I can store dock lines and ropes, but fur safety reasons choose not to. I can crawl into it and lay down all way to transom of boat to see the plumbing for the livewell. And these are facts not opinions.
I really don’t have a dog in this fight although I have a badass Onslow. But the fact you stated the deck layout, isn’t great can’t be farther than the truth.
And the comments about whitewater, are not justified. It’s a bad ass sled. These 4 boats mentioned Onslow, SeaVee, Whitewater, and Conch are waaaaay up at the top, And all 4 have builders that are a pleasure to work with.

Sorry, but had to chime in

here we go now with another brand
I PERSONALLY do not like the
central fuel tank
leaning post options
and livewell set up

and as someone that tournament fishes a lot that is just
my opinion

and opinions are why some teams fish sportys and some fish center consoles

the OP started a thread asking for opinions

I gave mine

I also don’t like the 37 seavees deck layout and many more but again that’s my opinion

you don’t need to defend your boat to me it’s only an opinion

shit I nearly bought a 33 onslow bay but as I said in my opinion for south Florida and how I fish and use my boat
it is not perfect for me

but won’t stop me fishing on my buddy’s one and I don’t sit around his boat telling him it sucks it’s just not for me

you think your deck layouts perfect just like whitewater owners think their boats fit n finish is on par with your boats fit n finish

at least you don’t by a Timex and try to call it a Rolex like all the others here





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Originally Posted by reidyfleming View Post


here we go now with another brand
I PERSONALLY do not like the
central fuel tank
leaning post options
and livewell set up

and as someone that tournament fishes a lot that is just
my opinion

which is what the OP started a thread for

I gave mine

I also donít like the 37 seavees deck layout and many more but again thatís my opinion

you donít need to defend your boat to me itís only an opinion

shit I nearly bought a 33 onslow bay but as I said in my opinion for south Florida and how I fish and use my boat
it is not perfect for me

but wonít stop me fishing on my buddyís one and I donít sit around his boat telling him it sucks itís just not for me

you think your deck layouts perfect just like whitewater owners think their boats fit n finish is on par with your boats fit n finish

at least you donít by a Timex and try to call it a Rolex like all the others here
Legitimate question for you.
And, you had it posted but by the time I went to write this you had edited it.
Have you seen a piece of rotted plywood in one of Norms boats (you used his name), that was not due to improper sealing of fasteners post build?

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Originally Posted by flfJack View Post
Embrace the fact that some dudes just have more money than you and want to splurge on the highest end things they can. Well built boats or not, you guys sure as hell make me want to skip the next WW owners get together.

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Originally Posted by reidyfleming View Post

I donít sit around his boat telling him it sucks
no, you just wait for the internet to do that.
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Originally Posted by Parker Yacht View Post
Legitimate question for you.
And, you had it posted but by the time I went to write this you had edited it.
Have you seen a piece of rotted plywood in one of Norms boats (you used his name), that was not due to improper sealing of fasteners post build?

Funny you should say that.. I will give you my first hand experience

I bought a 1992 28 Whitewater from NY, it was delivered in 1991. I bought it 2 years ago over the phone from a few pictures and gave it to my brother. The boat had close to 3,000 hours of cruising around... Never saw a fish. Other than service it was COMPLETELY stock, 26 years old.

I put 80 rod holders, repowered, new top, added 2 below deck 75 gallon wells, Seachest and all the thru hulls that go with it, new transducer, custom anchor locker... and more. I think you get what I'm trying to say, I probably put more holes in an older hull then ever done. I did not see one single piece of rot, water intrusion or anything! In fact I saved all the cores that came out of the hole saw cause I was so amazed. I have done this for a loooong time and you could not tell the difference between the cores I cut or ones Norman did yesterday at the factory.

Good luck OP with your search, boat shopping sure is fun. They really are all solid choices you mentioned, as others suggested just pick the one that suits your needs best
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I was in the market looking at the same boats including a few others. My biggest concern was fuel tanks (on the older boats). I got a tip on an Onslow Bay that didn’t hit the market yet but was over my price range. After thinking about it and what I would have in should I need to do tanks, non skid, repower, etc going with the Onslow Bay was a no brainer. I have spent time on all these boats. The Onslow build and attention to detail is much better than the other boats in its class. I am extremely happy with the decision I made.
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Originally Posted by Conch&Balls View Post
Funny you should say that.. I will give you my first hand experience

I bought a 1992 28 Whitewater from NY, it was delivered in 1991. I bought it 2 years ago over the phone from a few pictures and gave it to my brother. The boat had close to 3,000 hours of cruising around... Never saw a fish. Other than service it was COMPLETELY stock, 26 years old.

I put 80 rod holders, repowered, new top, added 2 below deck 75 gallon wells, Seachest and all the thru hulls that go with it, new transducer, custom anchor locker... and more. I think you get what I'm trying to say, I probably put more holes in an older hull then ever done. I did not see one single piece of rot, water intrusion or anything! In fact I saved all the cores that came out of the hole saw cause I was so amazed. I have done this for a loooong time and you could not tell the difference between the cores I cut or ones Norman did yesterday at the factory.

Good luck OP with your search, boat shopping sure is fun. They really are all solid choices you mentioned, as others suggested just pick the one that suits your needs best
almost identical to my boat and my story.
got my 94 from a guy who towed it behind his trawler in the bahamas and then spent the later years doing cocktail cruises with friends in key largo. Was as unmodified a boat as I've ever seen. Aside from a Garmin 5212 in the dash, nothing else had been done to the boat. A time capsule. I believe the previous owner did have the console deck plate redone by Norm, which is really the only "common" issue I've ever seen with Whitewaters. And it bothers me none because of the ease of repair facilitated by how Norm designed the boat.
If you followed my Makeover thread you saw what all I did to the boat. I think I even posted pics of the core samples as I added the transducer and notched a stringer and drilled holes and such. Bone freaking dry, 22-23 years after being built. If the boat rots now, it's my own fault and I'll likely be dead before it becomes a problem. At that point the boat will be 40-60 years old (I'm 41 now) and ANY boat that's that old, even the "high end" boats like Seavee and Onslow will be needing some serious love.

this whole thing is just hilarious. Thousands of happy WW customers, many are repeat. For people who know boats, they know about WW. For people that have a piece of nidacore stuck in their ass about a particular brand and choose to be dickheads not just about the brand but also to the actual people that own the brand, then I'm not going to bother any more than I have to.

When I got dressed for work this morning, I looked in my watch box to decide what to wear today. Omega, Rolex, Seiko, Wittnauer, Timex, etc. I chose the Timex today. Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'
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oh and here's a look at the hull when I cut the hole for the transducer. Nothing to rot because it's solid glass. Cored boats have their positives, but just because it's not wood doesn't mean there can't be issues with water intrusion. A lot harder for that to happen with solid glass.



and here's a few pics of the compromised hull core of a Conch 27 that we removed. Why was it compromised? Because someone, when building the boat at E&D, had the saw blade set too deep when they were making a cut and they got into the core. They more or less threw some gelcoat on top and called it a day. Shit happens, I get it. But I wouldn't exactly call that "high end" attention to detail.



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Originally Posted by reidyfleming View Post


here we go now with another brand
I PERSONALLY do not like the
central fuel tank
leaning post options
and livewell set up

and as someone that tournament fishes a lot that is just
my opinion

and opinions are why some teams fish sportys and some fish center consoles

the OP started a thread asking for opinions

I gave mine

I also don’t like the 37 seavees deck layout and many more but again that’s my opinion

you don’t need to defend your boat to me it’s only an opinion

shit I nearly bought a 33 onslow bay but as I said in my opinion for south Florida and how I fish and use my boat
it is not perfect for me

but won’t stop me fishing on my buddy’s one and I don’t sit around his boat telling him it sucks it’s just not for me

you think your deck layouts perfect just like whitewater owners think their boats fit n finish is on par with your boats fit n finish

at least you don’t by a Timex and try to call it a Rolex like all the others here





I totally respect your answer no doubt.
The best thing w a custom builder, is Brad could give you a different layout such as an in deck livewell. The 27 has options for 2 and I’m sure he could figure a 3rd up front in floor if needed. That’s why dealing w a builder, many ideas can be a reality but will cost ya. Just depends in how bad You want something. One reason for the central tanks is for balance and stability. That onslow rides extremely flat, and I hardly ever use the tabs. Plus it’s a 24 degree deadrise boat, that has virtually no snap roll, plus huge reverse chines.
But I do respect your statement and answer. Different people with different tastes for their own wants and needs..


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Originally Posted by reidyfleming View Post


here we go now with another brand
I PERSONALLY do not like the
central fuel tank
leaning post options
and livewell set up

and as someone that tournament fishes a lot that is just
my opinion

and opinions are why some teams fish sportys and some fish center consoles

the OP started a thread asking for opinions

I gave mine

I also don’t like the 37 seavees deck layout and many more but again that’s my opinion

you don’t need to defend your boat to me it’s only an opinion

shit I nearly bought a 33 onslow bay but as I said in my opinion for south Florida and how I fish and use my boat
it is not perfect for me

but won’t stop me fishing on my buddy’s one and I don’t sit around his boat telling him it sucks it’s just not for me

you think your deck layouts perfect just like whitewater owners think their boats fit n finish is on par with your boats fit n finish

at least you don’t by a Timex and try to call it a Rolex like all the others here






You have a habit, it seems, of putting words in people's mouths with regard to how they view boats. No one that I've read has claimed superior fit and finish in a Whitewater. No one has said that Whitewaters are better than any of the other brands mentioned. Owners have pushed back on your notion of inferiority, based on decades of real world experience and tens of thousands of hours of collective use.

You seem to have an axe to grind with Whitewaters, even though there are other well respected builders that use "dead trees" throughout their build process. I can think of hulls cored with wood, decks cored with wood, consoles cored with wood, just to name a few areas that other well respected builders have decided that "dead trees" are the core choice. Those same builders use core cell, coosa, nidacore, among other composites, in the same boats. It's like Whitewaters are your personal windmill and you can't help but to hop on your horse with your long pole and charge at the mention of a Whitewater.

You still have never revealed what custom boats you build. I am getting the impression you're a repair shop owner that customizes boats. That's not a custom boat builder.
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I think I will go wash my whitewater and make sure the wood in my wooden sportfish isn't rotting...


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Had an Onslow Bay 27 and should have kept it. Best boat I've ever owned and I've owned a few..

Brad built the OB around the 26 Regulator Hull bottom but with his own modifications and the best part is the balance of the boat. You can have 700 hp on the transom and still plane at 15 mph when it gets really rough...or run 70 mph when it is calm. I don't think most people realize how impressive that speed range really is. Most of the bracket boats and boats with notched transom hull bottoms simply can't plane that low with heavy 4 stroke 6 cylinder engines on the back. The boat is also tough as it was built to run in the SKA where guys beat the hell out of their boats. His fuel tank installation is the best I've ever seen to prevent corrosion and centerline position gives one compartment and contributes to the weight distribution and balance.

WW 28 is a nice boat. I chartered one a couple of times to try it out and it is very good in many ways but lacks the head sea ride of the Onslow Bay or the Regulators I've owned. Not a reason not to own one but an observation.

As to the Conch 27...I freely admit I have not ridden in one but for all the noise you hear on this website about the Conch you would think they would be the end all be all and everyone would want one. However the fact of the matter is you don't see many or even see a build thread about one very often which leads me to believe that the hype is simply that...Hype. Usually from the same few guys.
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