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Purchased! 1997 Four Winns 195 Sundowner. 5.7GL

Old 06-12-2019, 09:30 PM
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:27 AM
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Great looks brand new!
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:40 AM
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That looks amazing for a 22 year old boat - it has obviously been carefully looked after from new - a quick clean at the dealer wouldn't get it looking like that.
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Great looks brand new!
Yes it does. That freshwater stuff is amazing. Just remember, wood rots in fresh water.

Bront may want to consider jetting or timing options for high altitude.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
Yes it does. That freshwater stuff is amazing. Just remember, wood rots in fresh water.

Bront may want to consider jetting or timing options for high altitude.
I was SM for a dealership in Deerfield, FL. in the mid 80's, we took on F/W, they were new to the salt market back then.
What a learning curve.
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Yes it does. That freshwater stuff is amazing. Just remember, wood rots in fresh water.

Bront may want to consider jetting or timing options for high altitude.
true about fresh water causing more rot than salt water ever could. Here boats rot due to rain water not the water they float in. If it were mine all that carpet would have to go.
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Old 06-13-2019, 11:34 AM
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Clean boat! Obviously very well cared for. I like how all the gauges are tied together like a cluster in an automobile. Of the thousands of boats I have seen, that is a first for me!
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That's a real barn find. From the pictures, I doubt you have any worries, as the boat looks as new. Check for rot as suggested, but it is a sure bet that boat did not see much daylight. I remember those matching trailers Four Winns made for their boats. I did not have one as it would last a year in salt That was the teal option. My boat was Sea Foam Green, which actually looked great on the water. Same outdrive, which at the time was meant to compete with Mercruiser. Eventually Volvo was the power on my 2002 Horizon. Enjoy the boat. It brings back many fond memories.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:04 PM
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That's a real barn find. From the pictures, I doubt you have any worries, as the boat looks as new. Check for rot as suggested, but it is a sure bet that boat did not see much daylight. I remember those matching trailers Four Winns made for their boats. I did not have one as it would last a year in salt That was the teal option. My boat was Sea Foam Green, which actually looked great on the water. Same outdrive, which at the time was meant to compete with Mercruiser. Eventually Volvo was the power on my 2002 Horizon. Enjoy the boat. It brings back many fond memories.
i tried to look up info about the SX/Cobra drive. Does it have cone gears? Is it closer to an OMC or a Volvo Penta? It works great but it “clunks” into gear, works great, but I heard Volvo’s were smooth?
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The SX drives of that vintage do have the cone clutch. They can still clunk just a little (especially with a heavy prop).

My folks bought a '96 200 Horizon new back when I was in high school. It's been stored in a heated garage since day 1, my sister owns it now. Just like this one, it looks brand new. Same color even, but with a galvanized trailer. The 5.8FSi still runs like it did on day one, lots of fond memories in that boat.
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Clunks more so going into reverse?
Full synthetic oil is recommended for all cone clutch drives.


Boatinfo - OMC 1986-1998 Service Manual
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I wouldn't say it makes any more noise in going into forward or reverse. It's no louder than any other SX I've operated, even with a Mirage Plus or Enertia on there.

The only fluid that's ever seen the inside of that outdrive is Volvo Penta synthetic gearcase lube.
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I think it just seams louder than I’m used to. My last boat was a little 90hp outboard.

Had it out all day on the lake today. Runs amazing. Water a touch choppy, got it to 45mph at about 4600 rpm. It’s a 1:66 gear box. I’ll try again tomorrow with GPS.

Great holeshot and midrange. Kinda wheezes out on top end. Just like a two barrel carb on a v8 should, lol.

Ill probably just leave it alone for a while.

it did kinda stumble/vapor lock after it sat on the dock while we bought ice cream for the kids. Got back in, fires right up, gets on plane, then stumbled and fell off plane, pulled throttle back to idle and shut it off, waited a minute, fired right back up and ran perfect the 2 miles back to the beach.

I think the engine bay just radiates so much heat it vapor locks the fuel for a bit.
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I think it just seams louder than I’m used to. My last boat was a little 90hp outboard.

Had it out all day on the lake today. Runs amazing. Water a touch choppy, got it to 45mph at about 4600 rpm. It’s a 1:66 gear box. I’ll try again tomorrow with GPS.

Great holeshot and midrange. Kinda wheezes out on top end. Just like a two barrel carb on a v8 should, lol.

Ill probably just leave it alone for a while.

it did kinda stumble/vapor lock after it sat on the dock while we bought ice cream for the kids. Got back in, fires right up, gets on plane, then stumbled and fell off plane, pulled throttle back to idle and shut it off, waited a minute, fired right back up and ran perfect the 2 miles back to the beach.

I think the engine bay just radiates so much heat it vapor locks the fuel for a bit.
Glad to hear it runs good. Now keep your hands out of the engine.
To help get rid of the heat, try running the blower every once in awhile. It will help get rid of the heat

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When it stumbles on it's self or quits (vapor lock) open the fuel cap and see if your getting a rush of air in
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Being a '97 V/P engine I bet that is a Holley 2bbl. Holley has a lot of troubleshooting tips on their website. I've had our '88 H-200 with the OMC 4.3 and Rochester Quadrajet and I've never experienced vapor lock even in hot summer conditions, but I have the big sun pad design which might allow more air circulation than the dog house/jump seat style. Vapor lock can also be due to altitude, are you in Colorado? High altitude? It is remotely possible that re-jetting might be advisable in that case.
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PS the only vehicle that I owned that I know for sure had vapor lock issues in hot weather was many years ago, with a 1970 Ford Torino with a 302 V8 and Motorcraft 2bbl carb. The intake manifold was heated by engine coolant and on hot days, it would not want to restart after a hot soak. There was some type of carb spacer (plastic, or plastic/wood composite) that was made to raise the carb up a bit to keep it a bit cooler. I never would up doing that but I insulated the fuel line with insulation tape to keep the heat radiating from the engine from overheating the fuel in the metal fuel line. It helped with this problem.
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PS the only vehicle that I owned that I know for sure had vapor lock issues in hot weather was many years ago, with a 1970 Ford Torino with a 302 V8 and Motorcraft 2bbl carb. The intake manifold was heated by engine coolant and on hot days, it would not want to restart after a hot soak. There was some type of carb spacer (plastic, or plastic/wood composite) that was made to raise the carb up a bit to keep it a bit cooler. I never would up doing that but I insulated the fuel line with insulation tape to keep the heat radiating from the engine from overheating the fuel in the metal fuel line. It helped with this problem.

it is a Holly. I was thinking if it keeps doing it I’ll just insulate it or just run the blower more. I don’t ever really need to run it at 40+ mph so for now, money will be for gas.

The trim angle indicator is not working properly, I may just see if it has a short. The dealer said the sender is working fine. The gauge works about 30% of the time then it just spins erratic and bounces. So that will be my first project. Everything else works great.
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