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Old 06-03-2019, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by greencoveG View Post
..........he keeps backing it down...........
Because that's how he runs it. Very few people would run any engine WOT for an extended period unless it was a rental.
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Old 06-04-2019, 02:58 AM
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Had a 115 V4 of a similar vintage and it loved running fast all the time. Happy to sit on 5800 revs sucking fuel and oil. Simple old two strokes had no fear of running at WOT if propped right. Compression test is quick and easy so if the owner won't do one this is a red flag for me. If he won't then assume a proper reco will be needed and for that sort of money you may as well pick up something else a bit bigger and repower with a 115 or 130 v4. Offer a price accordingly and see what happens.
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Old 06-04-2019, 03:33 AM
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Sounds like you "LOVE" it the style, setup, hull and the memories but you only "LIKE" the motor? If we gotta push you into it will you be happy already say well I am only going to stay at wake speed or will I ever need more power? Yes, if you could get the boat on the cheap deep discount then maybe (not saying its a bad boat). Keep looking and get the exact setup you want then you will love it all the way around and nobody ever sold a boat or truck or car and said "its just got to much power" that's why I am selling it. Good Luck keep us posted..........
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:37 AM
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i would want to see a receipt for the rebuild

i would want a compression check

i would want a sea trial and run for WOT at least for a few minutes

those are non-negotiables in my mind and i wouldnt waste another second until those conditions could be met.
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Old 06-04-2019, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
i would want to see a receipt for the rebuild

i would want a compression check

i would want a sea trial and run for WOT at least for a few minutes

those are non-negotiables in my mind and i wouldnt waste another second until those conditions could be met.
I completely agree with this. When I bought my 1999 Sailfish I drove it during the sea trial not the seller, got it to WOT, trimmed up to see what the max RPM was (which you can't since the tach isn't working), then kept it there for a few minutes. I drove it on a lake so when I got to the end I turned around and did it again. The point of "Not being able to run WOT very often" is BS. Sure it doesn't happen that often but running WOT gives you a feel for how strong the motor is and if it is properly sized for the boat. If you want to make an offer I would ask to drive it again and have a way to verify speed with GPS (even if it is your phone). You can also rent a compression tester from just about any auto parts store, watch a few youtube videos, and check it yourself.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
i would want to see a receipt for the rebuild

i would want a compression check

i would want a sea trial and run for WOT at least for a few minutes

those are non-negotiables in my mind and i wouldnt waste another second until those conditions could be met.
Agreed. Then pull the plugs after the sea trial.

I have a Key West 1720 w/ that same motor - 2006. Some specs:

Dry wt: 1150 lbs
Fuel: 31 g
Prop: 13 x 17, 3-blade, SS

Here's some performance data Key West published for my rig w/ w/ 2 people and a half tank of gas (15 g). Those numbers are pretty close to what I see. I think a 90 would be ok for that 18'6" but a little under-powered. You won't be winning any races but honestly, who cares? Start 15 min earlier. That motor if rebuilt properly is pretty bullet-proof. You could switch to a 4-blade prop and add trim tabs if it's a little slow getting on plane.

I wouldn't run WOT for long periods of time just because the burn rate is pretty high - not because the motor couldn't handle it.

Never been in a sailfish but can tell you I've been higher seas than 2 ft w/ my 1720 w/o too much concern. Wasn't comfortable but never feared for my life.

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Old 06-04-2019, 07:25 AM
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i'd also want to check lower unit oil after running for signs of water intrusion and a whole list of other things, some very important some not as important
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:34 PM
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So update, took the videos down showing the owner because of the story about criminal defense atty, meth, girl, gun. Honestly the owner sounds like a nice guy but he is 75 and doesn't want to do anything to sell this boat. I wanna bang my head against the wall after a phone call. So could we take it to a marina and I pay for a check on the motor? Heeeeeeeeeeeeell no. Nooooooooooooooo. Nooooooooooooo. I've bent over backwards over the years and always get screwed. Then it gravitates to his buddy that has worked on his boats for 25 years and boy he is a great mechanic. I try again and say that I believe he is a great guy, but I would like an outside party to look at it. Nooooooooooooooooo Im not doin that and draggin this boat all over creation. He did say I can bring somebody with me but that only means checking compression and I want more looked at seeing as it is 20 years old and blew a piston. He also did say this time that it was bored out and not replaced (cylindar). I don't know if that is better or worse. Red flag is I asked before and was told replaced and that it was rebuilt "from the ground up" and it is like new now. So anyways thanks for all of the advice but seems like I am just wasting my time if I can't even get the thing properly looked at WHILE BEING WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. I don't think the seller should have to bend over backwards but should the buyer? I drove 60 miles to go see this boat. If anyone knows anyone who has an 18"-19" sailfish I am a serious buyer if the price is right.
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:56 PM
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Probably a good choice. You would always be wondering if this is the trip where it blows up again. BTW, boring the cylinder and fitting an oversized piston is the standard repair.

Also, BTW, I am 71 and we are very crabby and disagreeable ;-) It's just nature.
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Old 06-06-2019, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by greencoveG View Post
So update, took the videos down showing the owner because of the story about criminal defense atty, meth, girl, gun. Honestly the owner sounds like a nice guy but he is 75 and doesn't want to do anything to sell this boat. I wanna bang my head against the wall after a phone call. So could we take it to a marina and I pay for a check on the motor? Heeeeeeeeeeeeell no. Nooooooooooooooo. Nooooooooooooo. I've bent over backwards over the years and always get screwed. Then it gravitates to his buddy that has worked on his boats for 25 years and boy he is a great mechanic. I try again and say that I believe he is a great guy, but I would like an outside party to look at it. Nooooooooooooooooo Im not doin that and draggin this boat all over creation. He did say I can bring somebody with me but that only means checking compression and I want more looked at seeing as it is 20 years old and blew a piston. He also did say this time that it was bored out and not replaced (cylindar). I don't know if that is better or worse. Red flag is I asked before and was told replaced and that it was rebuilt "from the ground up" and it is like new now. So anyways thanks for all of the advice but seems like I am just wasting my time if I can't even get the thing properly looked at WHILE BEING WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. I don't think the seller should have to bend over backwards but should the buyer? I drove 60 miles to go see this boat. If anyone knows anyone who has an 18"-19" sailfish I am a serious buyer if the price is right.
wait what? the seller is a criminal defense attorney who does meth and shot a girl with a gun? lol

dont waste any more of your time and move on, plenty of red flags
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Old 06-06-2019, 04:35 AM
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It sounds like someone else is pressuring him to get rid of the boat. He’s doing just enough for “good faith” efforts but is ultimately sabotaging the sale either knowingly or unknowingly. Or he’s just plain grumpy.

Walk away. There will be others. I’d also urge you to look at other makers (unless for sentimental reasons you are fixated on Sailfish). Key West, Sea Hunt, Trophy, etc.
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Old 06-06-2019, 04:47 AM
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Poor guy is probably being contacted by the Nigerian’s wanting to buy his boat with a $50,000 money order, Pop Yachts Wanting to sell his boat for more than its worth, and the typical Craigslist buyer offering $1,500 CASH MONEY(like how else do you buy a boat these days?)

My dad is 77 yrs old and these guys live by a different code......their WORD. They get offended if you imply that they might not be telling the truth.

Unfortunately it sounds like you have to either take the guys word or walk.

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Old 06-06-2019, 06:16 AM
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sounds to me like he knows it was put together just enough to get it out of his driveway as long as no one looks too close. walk away. it will still be there next year if you really decide you want it.
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Old 06-06-2019, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by greencoveG View Post
So update, took the videos down showing the owner because of the story about criminal defense atty, meth, girl, gun. Honestly the owner sounds like a nice guy but he is 75 and doesn't want to do anything to sell this boat. I wanna bang my head against the wall after a phone call. So could we take it to a marina and I pay for a check on the motor? Heeeeeeeeeeeeell no. Nooooooooooooooo. Nooooooooooooo. I've bent over backwards over the years and always get screwed. Then it gravitates to his buddy that has worked on his boats for 25 years and boy he is a great mechanic. I try again and say that I believe he is a great guy, but I would like an outside party to look at it. Nooooooooooooooooo Im not doin that and draggin this boat all over creation. He did say I can bring somebody with me but that only means checking compression and I want more looked at seeing as it is 20 years old and blew a piston. He also did say this time that it was bored out and not replaced (cylindar). I don't know if that is better or worse. Red flag is I asked before and was told replaced and that it was rebuilt "from the ground up" and it is like new now. So anyways thanks for all of the advice but seems like I am just wasting my time if I can't even get the thing properly looked at WHILE BEING WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. I don't think the seller should have to bend over backwards but should the buyer? I drove 60 miles to go see this boat. If anyone knows anyone who has an 18"-19" sailfish I am a serious buyer if the price is right.
I read through this thread, thinking should you negotiate a better price and buy it? should you not? - then I came to this post of yours. Anyone who would refuse a sea-trial of a used boat would not be getting my money - sounds like he knows it's a not a good buy and he's waiting for someone who's reckless enough to just roll up, look it over and hear it start in the driveway and part with their money. There a plenty out there who are willing to do this - many who then appear on a forum asking about all sorts of problems I'd leave it to one of those guys.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:18 AM
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I’d offer a low ball price as he’s not willing to test the engine... plan on an engine failure sooner rather than later and see if you get luck. Sometimes you do.... sometimes you....
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I'd go ahead and make an reasonable offer with respect to the asking price, contingent on a mechanic's inspection and a sea trial (and seeing a receipt from the recent rebuild). This can all be done in a morning. Offer to bring a mobile mechanic with you. If it starts up, runs strong, runs at WOT for a minute or two, compression check is good, no water in the lower oil, then buy it.

If he won't agree to those things, then lowball him or walk.

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Old 06-06-2019, 11:47 AM
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If he won't let you take it to a mechanic, walk away. He knows it won't pass a detailed inspection.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:33 AM
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I just realized you did a sea trial of some sorts in post #10. But YOU didn't get to operate it and never at WOT? Is that correct?

If so, why not? Is he afraid the cylinder rebuild is no good? Shouldn't he find that out and not you as the new owner?

If you're able to do another sea trial at WOT for a sustained period of time with you at the helm and everything else seems ok (lower unit), etc., then the risk might be worth it to you. Me? Not a chance on a 20 yr-old boat. But I have no emotional skin in the game for a sailfish.

One thing I would do is try to get the trailer and boat on a scale. It might help you determine if there is water intrusion anywhere. Does the ass-end feel a little sluggish getting on plane? You'd have to hunt down reasonably good numbers on boat dry weight and trailer weight, though.

What shape is the electrical system? A hack job like usual? I've often found that is a good indicator of how the rest of the boat has been cared for and maintained. How about fuel lines, anti-siphon valve, pick-up? Hopefully replaced recently. Condition of tank? That would be my next biggest worry after the motor and L.U. And if it does need replaced, how big of a job would that be? Some boats it is relatively trivial. Some a major PITA and big $.

Honestly, a newish 18 foot CC is going to be $15K - $30K. If the major things check out ok and you can get it for $6K and get a few years out of the existing motor, that isn't such a big investment. A new 115 is what? $8K?

Worse case you'd be out $12K for the boat you want and a new motor. At best, you have the boat you want for $6K.

Just playing devil's advocate and trying to spend your hard-earned $
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Originally Posted by stimpson.j.cat View Post
I just realized you did a sea trial of some sorts in post #10. But YOU didn't get to operate it and never at WOT? Is that correct?
i never let buyers operate after an incident with a buyer that was a THT'er who came with his "knowledgeable" boating buddy and they were both idiots

most do not let buyers operate during sea trial, insurance may also not cover

standard course is seller operating and some times a licensed and insured captain that is along for sea trial

but yea the seller not running WOT is a red flag. i would want to see a boat run 3-5 minutes WOT during sea trial.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:56 AM
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He spent all of that money on a rebuild and then selling after 20hrs? Something is messed up. Feel at ease walking away on this one. There will be others. Worry more about the engine than the boat on your future reviews.
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