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Old 06-03-2019, 06:33 PM
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Yeah, I just loved the look on the DNR’s face when he didn’t know how to answer it.lol
i know how we can make it safe. NO ONE is allowed on the water or drive a car. Just stay home.
see problem solved. (Just kidding)

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Old 06-03-2019, 07:45 PM
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I've been boating for over 60 years in the St Pete/Tampa area and have never been boarded once. What are you guys doing to attract them I wonder? Or maybe I just look like I know what I am doing?
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:37 PM
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I am currently dealing with an fwc incident myself.
I was headed back to the ramp, by myself when fwc and st lucie county sheriffs were stopping every boat that passed by. I was stopped, boarded for a saftey check. They then concluded i mustve been under the influence. I was then given a absolute bullshit field test. According to them i failed, i was arrested on the spot. Dragged to the coast guard station, i then proceeded to blow a 0.00. Gave them my piss, i dont smoke weed, no worries. Was told if i didnt have someone pick my boat up in 20 minutes i would have to pay seatow $1000. Spent nearly 24hrs in jail. Nearly lost my job.

I have very little respect for them. They dont pull over a 27ft boat loaded with underage kids, all drunk of course. Because daddy is friends with one of the fwc officers. Instead they pull over a hardworking guy like myself, who pays his way to get on the water.

Id say their track record is pretty bad in my area considering several kids have died in the river here in the last few years.

just saw that same boat out last weekend, sheriffs just waving away at them. Every underage and drunk one of them.


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Old 06-12-2019, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Floatingtub View Post
I am currently dealing with an fwc incident myself.
I was headed back to the ramp, by myself when fwc and st lucie county sheriffs were stopping every boat that passed by. I was stopped, boarded for a saftey check. They then concluded i mustve been under the influence. I was then given a absolute bullshit field test. According to them i failed, i was arrested on the spot. Dragged to the coast guard station, i then proceeded to blow a 0.00. Gave them my piss, i dont smoke weed, no worries. Was told if i didnt have someone pick my boat up in 20 minutes i would have to pay seatow $1000. Spent nearly 24hrs in jail. Nearly lost my job.

I have very little respect for them. They dont pull over a 27ft boat loaded with underage kids, all drunk of course. Because daddy is friends with one of the fwc officers. Instead they pull over a hardworking guy like myself, who pays his way to get on the water.

Id say their track record is pretty bad in my area considering several kids have died in the river here in the last few years.

just saw that same boat out last weekend, sheriffs just waving away at them. Every underage and drunk one of them.
thats fucked up. so they continued with the arrest even after you blew 0.0? i posted this YT video that i found in another thread discussing how BS the field tests are:
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NC_Native View Post
I don't believe this thread started out accusing anyone, whether it be the CG or the FWC officers of being impolite. The subject was the fact that they randomly board us in the first place.
No I believe the problem was a boater being accused of drinking by someone with a bad attitude.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:26 AM
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I'm getting a little pissed off. In the last 12 months I was pulled over 7 times for "safety checks". Today I was pulled over while tubing. There were two officers a male and female. They pull up and the guy recognizes me from 3 other pull overs and says "he's good". The female starts a quip and states she needs to see all my gear. At this point I'm not happy as the guy said he knows my boat.

Long story short the bitch accuses the 4 of us for drinking. Not one on us had a single beverage! I told her she is out of line and I want another official boat to witness the harrasment. She refused. Finally her other partner told her to chill out. She was so pissed and they left.

Honestly, WTF! I'm over Florida enforcement on the water. Something needs to be done.
Do you know how many people are drunk, take too many or have the wrong sized fish in their cooler etc? Many don't have a licence, life jackets or even minimum safety equipment. Then they lie with slurred speech, have warrants, don't have I.D. have weapons that are illegal, etc. It's really sometimes very pitiful. It's no wonder there is distrust going on and many of these officers have to be ready to defend their lives. Be nice to them and try to understand why they sometimes act the way they do. If you give them a good experience maybe they'll feel better about working with the boaters. You don't have to lick their boots but at least be civil just like you would to any other man or woman you deal with.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Floatingtub View Post
I am currently dealing with an fwc incident myself.
I was headed back to the ramp, by myself when fwc and st lucie county sheriffs were stopping every boat that passed by. I was stopped, boarded for a saftey check. They then concluded i mustve been under the influence. I was then given a absolute bullshit field test. According to them i failed, i was arrested on the spot. Dragged to the coast guard station, i then proceeded to blow a 0.00. Gave them my piss, i dont smoke weed, no worries. Was told if i didnt have someone pick my boat up in 20 minutes i would have to pay seatow $1000. Spent nearly 24hrs in jail. Nearly lost my job.

I have very little respect for them. They dont pull over a 27ft boat loaded with underage kids, all drunk of course. Because daddy is friends with one of the fwc officers. Instead they pull over a hardworking guy like myself, who pays his way to get on the water.

Id say their track record is pretty bad in my area considering several kids have died in the river here in the last few years.

just saw that same boat out last weekend, sheriffs just waving away at them. Every underage and drunk one of them.
Ft. Pierce area? Still "good ol' boy", which is either beneficial or not. "You ain't from 'round here, are ya, boy?"
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Floatingtub View Post
I am currently dealing with an fwc incident myself.
I was headed back to the ramp, by myself when fwc and st lucie county sheriffs were stopping every boat that passed by. I was stopped, boarded for a saftey check. They then concluded i mustve been under the influence. I was then given a absolute bullshit field test. According to them i failed, i was arrested on the spot. Dragged to the coast guard station, i then proceeded to blow a 0.00. Gave them my piss, i dont smoke weed, no worries. Was told if i didnt have someone pick my boat up in 20 minutes i would have to pay seatow $1000. Spent nearly 24hrs in jail. Nearly lost my job.

I have very little respect for them. They dont pull over a 27ft boat loaded with underage kids, all drunk of course. Because daddy is friends with one of the fwc officers. Instead they pull over a hardworking guy like myself, who pays his way to get on the water.

Id say their track record is pretty bad in my area considering several kids have died in the river here in the last few years.

just saw that same boat out last weekend, sheriffs just waving away at them. Every underage and drunk one of them.
If your issue is with the State of Florida, please share your concern with their agency leaders. The BLA and enforcement and training head's contact information can be found here. https://www.nasbla.org/nasblamain/ab...ntacts/florida

Did the officer have a body cam?
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:17 AM
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We got boarded a couple weekends ago by Natural Resources Police, who were polite and professional. It was late morning and we were on the hook, bottom fishing.

We then watched them board every single boat on the river.
I fail to see how this is reasonable.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:59 AM
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Have had mostly good and 1 bad experience with boarding

Most times the coast guard waves back-Im in cape may right across from training base. I got inspected by the CG Aux last week-happened to be at my marina and he asked me when was last time I couldnt remember but when he gave me the sticker it was 2010. I don't remember being on water inspected since then.

as to the NJ F&G usually a nice hello what catching let ,me see all good-heck one of them used to dock his boat on my pier

Did once have F&G stop us coming in from fluke fishing-Inspected catch asked what bait we were using said squid and gulp. asked where is the squid said ran out. all good except his partner (driving the boat) starts accusing us of using fluke belly(illegal unless keeper fish and have the rack) because he saw fluke scales(he is in his boat)
in the gunnel opposite where the bait board is used(the fixed angle rod mount that only works on i side -the opposite side). My brother says if u think we cut bait in the gunnel of a 26 regulator your nuts. The officer in the boat finally said lets go these guys are good-turns out he was the same guy from my dock I just didn't recognize him in uniform.

Anyway you have some good some bad-Im happy they are out there doing their job
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Here in Texas, all these crooked agencies have a habit of boarding every boat on the water, but leaving all the asians and illegals fishing with no license and keeping undersize or prohibited fish alone. I guess the latter don't pay their fines. There is way too much duplication of resources with every city, county, state and federal agency having overlapping jurisdiction.

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Old 06-12-2019, 07:40 AM
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Here in Texas, all these crooked agencies have a habit of boarding every boat on the water, but leaving all the asians and illegals fishing with no license and keeping undersize or prohibited fish alone. I guess the latter don't pay their fines. There is way too much duplication of resources with every city, county, state and federal agency having overlapping jurisdiction.

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Old 06-12-2019, 07:57 AM
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Don't be absurd. The so called safety inspection is a fishing trip looking for other violations. Gross violation of the 4th Amendment. Same as DUI road blocks. Same as them bashing your front door with an APC when the address they have is next door. But if they find something it's you in cuffs.

Safety checks should be conducted volintarily at the ramp or dock. A small crew could walk through a marina and give voluntary inspections and STICKERS if desired so on the water inspections are not required. Got a sticker NO BOARDING without probable cause. Violations found corrected. No citations given.

I've been lucky but mostly because a avoid areas with heavy Gestapo concentrations.
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:55 AM
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I was wondering why they wear plate armor while counting fishes and crustaceans...
In the first class on the first day of game warden training they tell you everyone you will have contact with in your career is carrying a deadly weapon. All hunters have a weapon and all fishermen have a knife. A knife can penetrate a vest that will stop a 357 mag.
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In the first class on the first day of game warden training they tell you everyone you will have contact with in your career is carrying a deadly weapon. All hunters have a weapon and all fishermen have a knife. A knife can penetrate a vest that will stop a 357 mag.
If they didn't stop so many boaters unnecessarily and piss everyone off, they wouldn't have to worry as much.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by VTXrider View Post
I have realized a high correlation to the behavior of people you are boating with and operating the boat and how often you get stopped. I have never been stopped on my boat, I have a buddy I used to go out with that was stopped frequently. I equate this to how he operated the boat.

Other than that I have been stopped 2 other times. Once going past the Islamorada sandbar on Fourth of July and once off Bimini. Both of these were quick respectful stops by the officers. I would say I am on a boat 90% of weekends whether mine or a friends.
This could apply to boating too.


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Old 06-12-2019, 09:16 AM
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When was the last time a game warden was attacked during a PURE safety check on the water? Can't say I've ever heard of it happening. Sneaking up on a boat where they suspect illegal fishing is going on doesn't count.

When was the last time a game warden used the safety check as an excuse to look for other violations? That was today if it wasn't raining.

When was the last time a game warden boarded a board and was a complete A-hole for no reason? It's not necessary. Some do it because they can and we deserve better.
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Old 06-12-2019, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
Ft. Pierce area? Still "good ol' boy", which is either beneficial or not. "You ain't from 'round here, are ya, boy?"
Yep they start asking me who i was and whos my family.
You are right though, the whole fort pierce vero area is notorious for that. One said he swore he knew my dad ect ect. No buddy he lives 5000 miles away and he didnt buy me this boat.

If they really wanted to stop reckless boating,underage drinking, poaching, they should probably make their snitching rewards higher. And use unmarked boats, use civilian clothes. I gurantee you people would stop all the bullshit. They would pop people left and right. But no they need to wear body armor and harass people.

These kids out here driving daddy's $100k center consoles, $40k plus flats boats is just unreal. I worked my way onto the water, earned every bit of my hours behind a boat. The way the country used to be, according to alot of old timers ive talked to.
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I was a Marine Deputy for our Sheriff’s Department for 3 years here in Michigan. Safety Inspections were definitely used as a good excuse to make contact with the captain To see if he’s DUI. I can’t recall ever writing a ticket because they were short a PFD or their Fire Extinguisher was out of date. 10/10 times, we’d educate the captain about the law and tell them to fix it, with a warning “we’d check them again if we saw them on the water.”

There are several violations that always earned the captain “a biscuit” cop talk for a ticket. Those were usually a child under 6 not wearing a PFD, expired registration, no lights on after dusk, fishing violations, operating vessel too close to shore/anchored boats or divers down, no spotter while pulling someone, and of course blatant violations of Slow No Wake zones.

I can definitely understand how these checks feel like harassment. Nobody likes to encounter “The Fun Police” while they’re trying to relax and have a good time on the water. But I’d venture a guess and say that everyone who posted a response on this thread has never had to pull a dead 3 year old out of the water because their parents didn’t make them wear a PFD. And I doubt any of you guys have seen the result of what a propeller does to a human body, or what it’s like to escort a grieving family member over to a body bag to positively identify their loved one that crashed a jet ski into the side of an anchored vessel because they were too drunk and didn’t understand a PWC won’t turn unless you give it gas.

Everyone hates the police until they need their help. My advice if you get stopped? Be friendly, respectful, and try your best to hide your anger. Human nature is universal, if someone is a complete a-hole to you, there’s a 100% chance you’ll quickly be an a-hole them in return. Doesn’t matter who it is or what authority they have.
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Correct my incorrect assumptions. I'm under the impression that the USCG is the ONLY entity that is allowed to stop and board a vessel at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

However, the other enforcement branches are not USCG. Therefore, why are they allowed to stop a vessel for a "safety check" at any point? Specifically, the local sheriff or local police department...because they aren't even authorized to enforce fish/game laws and do fish checks. Why is this all so confusing?!?

I guess the reason so many agencies stop and do "safety checks" is because of us spineless citizens that have not fought back through the politicians and courts.

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