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Old 05-20-2019, 09:47 PM
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Any new Blackfin 242/272 owners out there that would like to comment on their boats? Wasn't considering this boat at all, but it looks good, and as many names, they're discounting healthily(Cobia dealer just offered 18% off new 2019's). Blackfin's are high priced to begin with so they need to cut in with deep discounts, but they have appealing warranties-7 year mercury motor(2 free additional years) as well as lifetime hull. Clearly resale is a slot machine with limited history of the new brand. Other forums here bring out angry original Blackfin owners. Any new owners or people have heard anything about these?
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We aren’t angry. You just need to understand it’s a Monterey with a Blackfin sticker on it. If you take a Hyundai and put a Mercedes sticker on the back it’s still a Hyundai.

Blackfin was a premier line back in its day. Still one of the best ever in its class. I have never heard Monterey being referred to as premier, or top of the line? time will tell..........
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They look to be well made and about average in the engineering scale - but they haven't been in production long enough to say they are good or bad.
The original Blackfins were well engineered, very well made, and still in demand more than 20 years after the last one was built in 1998.
As for the Mercury and its 7 year warranty - I would rather have a Yamaha with the 6 year warranty.
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We arenít angry. You just need to understand itís a Monterey with a Blackfin sticker on it. If you take a Hyundai and put a Mercedes sticker on the back itís still a Hyundai.

Blackfin was a premier line back in its day. Still one of the best ever in its class. I have never heard Monterey being referred to as premier, or top of the line? time will tell..........
LOL, I would welcome you on to my Monterey 335SY and you can look around and tell me its not a premier or top of the line boat in it's class. I looked at Sea-Ray, Regal, Chaparral, Formula, and Monterey. Formula is a notch above, but the 34PC was a bit wider than I wanted to trailer. For production brand boats, Monterey is absolutely a top tier name. I spent 2 years researching and picking boats apart bow to stern trying to decide. The level of fit and finish and overall quality on Monterey is extremely impressive and its an overall nicer boat than the equivalent Regal, Chaparral, and Sea-Ray models IMO with more options offered.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:42 AM
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I was afraid this is going to turn into this thread again. I would hardly call Monterey a Hyundai of boats. Hyundai comes with a ten year warranty. Quite frankly, a better built car than my 92k escalade I purchased new and dumped 3 years later for 48k because the transmission was shit. I own a 2018 s560 sedan now and my fuel tank cap just fell off after 8k miles-i paid 115k for this car. Luxury cars... My 42k new wrangler is way more reliable than all my luxury cars I have owned.

Saw comprable Cobia's yesterday and they were discounting 2019's 18% without negotiation. Saw a 261 and 277cc. For a 160-170k sticker boat, they looked cheap inside, with poor looking design. And all it took was the salesman calling a 165k boat a Chevrolet of boats to turn me off. The Blackfin 242 was much heavier foot for foot, and latches and features looked more solid. they're discounting these about 20%. All I want to know is whether there are any owners out there or folks that have heard feedback. Not guys stating it's a Hyundai with a Mercedes sticker. And quite frankly, as an owner of many luxury cars over the years, they are certainly not all well built cars. Monterey wins consistent consumer satisfaction surveys.

A sportsman 252 is 4100 lbs. A Blackfin 242 is 5400 pounds. This boat is way more solid and it's .5 ft shorter they are priced very similar around 115k. Why would you not buy the Blackfin with the 7 year mercury warranty on a 350 Verado, lifetime limited structural hull, gelcoat, canvas,, upholstery, gelcoat, structural deck warranties? Just looking for serious advice, and not looking for someone to confirm what I have already decided... It's just a good looking boat and they are giving a lot with them to sell them.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:46 AM
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Thanks for he honest reply. It's tough being a "new" boat with an old name. That certainly does not make it bad. Conversely, it offends many previous owners. But if the new ownership is committed to building a great boat to gain a good reputation, they deserve the right to try. It more about taking the risk as being one of the first owners. Either way, these new blackfins look great, have solid weight and power numbers, and I will be talking one out to see the ride. I have a buddy tell me the 242 rode more solid than a 25 regulator(wait until the dirt starts flying on this one....!)
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Thanks. From reading the forums, Monterey is liked by their owners
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:52 AM
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I have a 2019 242 with twin yamaha 150s and can honestly say it is an outstanding boat. The fit and finish are great. The boat rides wonderfully. In my opinion Blackfin is doing an excellent job on these boats. People on here try to shoot them down and have never been on one.
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I looked at them at the boat show and again at a dealer where they were side by side with Cobias. In my opinion theyre very well built. Competing easily with other top tier center consoles. The fit and finish was impressive. Obviously they weigh significantly more than other boats in their size range. I would love to get out on one and see how they perform.
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
If you take a Hyundai and put a Mercedes sticker on the back itís still a Hyundai.
Why would you cheapen a Hyundai by putting Mercedes badges on it?
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:18 AM
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i think they are just your average cookie cutter CC with a slightly higher price tag than most due to the cool name
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:35 AM
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We arenít angry. You just need to understand itís a Monterey with a Blackfin sticker on it. If you take a Hyundai and put a Mercedes sticker on the back itís still a Hyundai.

Blackfin was a premier line back in its day. Still one of the best ever in its class. I have never heard Monterey being referred to as premier, or top of the line? time will tell..........
This. Iíd ask around folks opinion of Monterey because by using the Blackfin name they are creating a perception of quality that Iím not sure is earned - is that fair?

The new ďBlackfinsĒ havenít been around long enough to get a feel for quality. Most boats work great for the first few years, how they hold up in 5,10 years I think is better test. So Iíd check with folks who own Monterey and see what quality is like a few years down the road.

I am an original Blackfin owner but have no problems at all with these...itís a new line by Monterey. They did not use the old molds. I do think itís a bit disingenuous to put out ads saying ďthe legend continuesĒ etc... but itís a moot point.

So, do I think Monterey is a good builder? Yes they make a good boat. They are a solid, mid-tier boat. Finish seems higher quality and they ride fine. I donít love the colors itís a little bit ďloudĒ relative to my taste. I just prefer simpler layouts and colors. Not knocking them at all. Theyíve been doing it a long time.
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:02 AM
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Due to labor and material costs no company can afford to build and sell a hull comparable to the original Blackfin. Either be content with today's offerings or source an original hull for a re-power. This option will put you far ahead in quality and will cost substantially less money than buying new.
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:04 PM
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Let me try to put it this way....in the 80s Blackfin were the TOP of the line boat in its class. Above Viking at the time for instance. There were a few custom guys that were regarded as higher end for sure but Bertram, Blackfin, Hatteras were the bees knees. I would say like Yellowfin, Freeman and SeaVee are today. I would not put today’s Blackfin in the same sentence with Yellowfin. Would you? There is literally nothing Blackfin about today’s Blackfin. You may as well call it a Whitefin. Blackfin used certain engineering, by a few world renowned navel architects. Using some of the best materials on the planet at the time. The designs were ground breaking. The lower center of gravity, with the engine boxes, the inboard motors being spaced further apart, the outboard rudders of the 29 these were all game changing. What exactly is game changing about today’s Blackfin? The console door hinge? Exactly which award winning naval architect designed that? Let’s face it, they are calling it a Blackfin simply because the original Blackfin were everything I am saying. It’s nothing more than a marketing tool.

I have nothing negative to say about the new ones. I was curious to look at them at the boat shows and they looked very nice to me. So did almost every other boat at The AC show.......

THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS. IF THE BOATS COULD STAND ON THEIR OWN MERRIT THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO BE CALLED BLACKFIN!

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Old 05-21-2019, 06:58 PM
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Yes, lots of sensitive old school Blackfin owners that simply cannot stand to see a new boat with the legacy name on it. Most haven't taken a ride or done a thorough inquiry into the new boats, just going off what they read on a forum or what "some guy" told them. Most should seek counseling for the amount of anger it triggers.

I'm a 2018 272CC owner and there are good and bad points to the boat. This isn't my first CC, and I have been both impressed and sightly disappointed at some of the things on my boat...all this knowing lots of boats - both low, medium and high end, require working out some of the kinks the first year or so of operation.

Pros: It is a dry ride, slices moderately-rough water well and its weight makes for a steady ride. The layout is great, and there's lots of tiny, hidden amenities and details that I was finding months after I bought it. The pantographic (sp?) door is a marketing ploy, kinda cool and stays mostly out of the way when open, but doesn't close as tight as a regular console door. It has 4 freshwater hose bibs (one in the bait station, one as a shower inside the console, one on the gunwale and one up front by the windlass...at least I think the windlass one is fresh). 30 gallon freshwater tank...big enough for a day on the water, but not enough for a good scrub at the end of the day. Great pump pressure for fresh and the single raw water, macerators pump fast and love the clear bait well side that makes it look like a fishtank. You can manually adjust the bait well valves to set the desired water level. Wish there were a bait well up front. Powder coat T-top looks great, finish appears durable. I like the swim step on the back, but it definitely eats up the space at the back of the boat you could use for fishing (see below in Cons). I like the swim ladder on the side of the swim platform. Bait cleaning station and drawers are great and don't take up a ton of room from the already-small rear area. Rod holder storage on the gunwales is handy, it has holes that open the forward gunwale for longer rods, but it doesn't go as far forward as I'd like for longer rods/gaff handles, etc. I like the 2-tone lights in the bait well, gunwale lights and spreader lights. The high freeboard up front makes me use my trim tabs just to keep the bow down more than I like (I'm not the tallest dude either so that's a factor). The fabric center console "dashboard" is weathering very well, I was a bit nervous about it.

Cons: Console access door lock seized already, dry lube gets it working for another month then craps out again. One of the handles on the door comes loose commonly and doesn't stay in the locked position. Dealership had to diagnose the windshield vent not working (not a fuse), trim tabs stopped working (not a fuse). One of the padded knee rails has a lot of water discoloration already. One of the front backrest/bolsters tore at the seam. The button snaps on the front cushions aren't anchored deep enough into the fiberglass...2 have pulled from the fiberglass and one pulled out of the back of the cushion (and I am extremely careful as I unsnap them). I have the canvas bow shade, it's kinda poorly made (sewing is really amateur) for the $1000 price tag. I polish the stainless 2x a month and baby the whole boat, and the stainless isn't weathering as well as other boats I've owned. Pretty sure they "accidentally" used some hardware that isn't stainless, had to replace ~ 5 screws/bolts around the boat that rusted very quickly. Not a ton of rod holders, and none have a backer plate for serious cranking. The foldout back seat had a bracket come loose from normal use (used seriously like 5x), dealership had to remount one of the swing arms so it would still open. The people who designed it did not put enough space into the back deck for fighting fish, etc. If you are a serious fisherman, stand in the back of the boat and really assess if there's enough room for you to chase your target species. But hey, it's a compromise between utility and comfort for island hopping. Front seat (built in cooler in front of the CC) lid is supposed to stay open when fully opened, but the bracket is just misplaced enough that it closes on its own. I kinda think the gas tank filler tube enters the actual gas tank near the bottom of the tank (my total assumption) given it takes me a full 30 minutes to fill each time with ~120 gallons. The gas pump runs for 15-20 seconds then pops off as the gas fills the tube (watched boats before/after mine that didn't have this issue...like the gas gravity-feeds the tank).

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Thanks so much for your thorough assessment of the boat. It's extremely insightful and helpful in making the decision.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:18 PM
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Original Blackfin =legend New Blackfin = another cc in an already top tier, mid tier,low tier world.
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Interesting on the amount of cons on a 2018 boat no? Many sound like engineering and craftsmanship issues yes? That is way more issues on an almost new boat than on my over 30 year old boat. If that many things went wrong in the first several months, how many screws will you suppose pull out in 30 more years? The handles, doors, locks and hinges are all still original on my 1988. My stainless looks new. I’ve never polished it.........ever! The Blackfin name was synonymous with fishing yet you say yours wasn’t really designed for fisherman?

In the “pros” list you mention it rides bow high, water tank is too small for your needs, rod lockers should be longer.......those are the “pros”?

And how come no mention of “why” have a legacy name on a completely different product? Personally I think they are pretty good looking. I really don’t care how they ride, I’m not in the market for one. I’m not really interested in the price or value either.

I just wonder why they are using the Blackfin name? A Marketing ploy perhaps?

If if there is another reason I would love to hear it..........

The new Blackfins sure seem to be like the dozens of other mid tier CC boats and again there is nothing wrong with that. The only thing that even has us talking about them is the name, and that my friend is why Monterey is using it!



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I looked at some and thought they had great fit and finish similar to scout
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
We arenít angry. You just need to understand itís a Monterey with a Blackfin sticker on it. If you take a Hyundai and put a Mercedes sticker on the back itís still a Hyundai.

Blackfin was a premier line back in its day. Still one of the best ever in its class. I have never heard Monterey being referred to as premier, or top of the line? time will tell..........
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Due to labor and material costs no company can afford to build and sell a hull comparable to the original Blackfin. Either be content with today's offerings or source an original hull for a re-power. This option will put you far ahead in quality and will cost substantially less money than buying new.
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Let me try to put it this way....in the 80s Blackfin were the TOP of the line boat in its class. Above Viking at the time for instance. There were a few custom guys that were regarded as higher end for sure but Bertram, Blackfin, Hatteras were the bees knees. I would say like Yellowfin, Freeman and SeaVee are today. I would not put todayís Blackfin in the same sentence with Yellowfin. Would you? There is literally nothing Blackfin about todayís Blackfin. You may as well call it a Whitefin. Blackfin used certain engineering, by a few world renowned navel architects. Using some of the best materials on the planet at the time. The designs were ground breaking. The lower center of gravity, with the engine boxes, the inboard motors being spaced further apart, the outboard rudders of the 29 these were all game changing. What exactly is game changing about todayís Blackfin? The console door hinge? Exactly which award winning naval architect designed that? Letís face it, they are calling it a Blackfin simply because the original Blackfin were everything I am saying. Itís nothing more than a marketing tool.

I have nothing negative to say about the new ones. I was curious to look at them at the boat shows and they looked very nice to me. So did almost every other boat at The AC show.......

THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS. IF THE BOATS COULD STAND ON THEIR OWN MERRIT THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO BE CALLED BLACKFIN!

Agree?
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Original Blackfin =legend New Blackfin = another cc in an already top tier, mid tier,low tier world.
This thread is about the new blackfin. Everyone knows they are not the same boat. The OP wisely worded the thread to guide the discussion to the new boat. Is it too much to ask that people stay on topic? The OP just wants to know about the quality of the new blackfin maybe from someone who actually owns one. Thank you.
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