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Old 05-01-2019, 08:27 AM
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I have been shopping around for a boat for too long. I have been looking for a used boat at a bargain price and they dont seem to exist. I spend most of my time fishing the upper Chesapeake and the tribs above the bridge so I am looking for something that gets kind of skinny while still being able to handle the bay down to the bridge in Annapolis. I fished a 1979 18' Chincoteague scow until this past season when I sold her. Looking for something a little more friendly in chop and a little more roomy. I am not a bells and whistle guy. I dont want a t-top because I jig/drift a lot and they act as a sail IMO. I need something fishable and dependable that wont put me in the poor house. I am hesitating to buy new because I dont want to finance a boat. I dont have covered storage at this point in my life. If I build a garage in my yard I wont have the money for a boat. Conundrum. I am still kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on a Hewes LT that a fellow THT'er sold on here but that is water under my slow to make a decision bridge. Can't seem to find anything used that excites me. Started thinking about buying new. Comparing the Judge 22 vs. the 21 Sea Ox. Any input on these boats?
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:42 AM
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I have been shopping around for a boat for too long. I have been looking for a used boat at a bargain price and they dont seem to exist. I spend most of my time fishing the upper Chesapeake and the tribs above the bridge so I am looking for something that gets kind of skinny while still being able to handle the bay down to the bridge in Annapolis. I fished a 1979 18' Chincoteague scow until this past season when I sold her. Looking for something a little more friendly in chop and a little more roomy. I am not a bells and whistle guy. I dont want a t-top because I jig/drift a lot and they act as a sail IMO. I need something fishable and dependable that wont put me in the poor house. I am hesitating to buy new because I dont want to finance a boat. I dont have covered storage at this point in my life. If I build a garage in my yard I wont have the money for a boat. Conundrum. I am still kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on a Hewes LT that a fellow THT'er sold on here but that is water under my slow to make a decision bridge. Can't seem to find anything used that excites me. Started thinking about buying new. Comparing the Judge 22 vs. the 21 Sea Ox. Any input on these boats?

I have a 20 May-craft Cape classic with a 200 on it being built now, was in your same situation, I loved the simplicity or the Cape Classic and didn't want to spend top tier money on a 20 ft boat, if I didn't go with the May Craft, my second choice would be the Sea Ox, I only didn't go that route because it was overkill ($ wise) for my needs....Truth is I don't think you can go wrong with either of your choices, its just personal preference.
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:24 AM
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between those two boats I would definitely go with the Ox, particularly if you're comparing it to the cutout transom judge. Judge has very little appeal to me despite their reputation. I don't know exactly how the dollars compare but the Ox is a better ride and to me a better looking boat. If you want to save some dough look for a used parker 21 or 23.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:33 AM
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between those two boats I would definitely go with the Ox, particularly if you're comparing it to the cutout transom judge. Judge has very little appeal to me despite their reputation. I don't know exactly how the dollars compare but the Ox is a better ride and to me a better looking boat. If you want to save some dough look for a used parker 21 or 23.
I would love to find a used Parker 21 Big Bay but they are as rare as hens teeth. I would also love to find a Jones Bros 1910 but I havent had any luck.
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:54 AM
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The Judge 22 is a big 22'er. It is about the same length and beam as the Jones Brothers 23. The Judge 22 is a good riding little boat. Great length to beam ratio, well balanced and tons of deck space for a boat its size. You can also get the boat with a large console with area for a portapoti. Dont know if that is a big deal to you but I have a wife and 2 daughters so that is always on my mind.

Go over and tour the factory!

Here is an unbiased review from the former owner of TidalFish who I convinced to take the Judge 22 for ride. He compares it to some of the other boats you are looking at. (SeaOx wasnt around then. They are a fairly new company despite the use of an old name. I havent seen one but they look nice online). He ultimately decided on another boat but was "almost shocked" how well it rode on a choppy day we took him out in.

https://www.tidalfish.com/forums/showthread.php/292728-Brandons-New-Boat?p=1636306&viewfull=1#post1636306

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Old 05-01-2019, 12:10 PM
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The Judge 22 is a big 22'er. It is about the same length and beam as the Jones Brothers 23. The Judge 22 is a good riding little boat. Great length to beam ratio, well balanced and tons of deck space for a boat its size. You can also get the boat with a large console with area for a portapoti. Dont know if that is a big deal to you but I have a wife and 2 daughters so that is always on my mind.

Go over and tour the factory!

Here is an unbiased review from the former owner of TidalFish who I convinced to take the Judge 22 for ride. He compares it to some of the other boats you are looking at. (SeaOx wasnt around then. They are a fairly new company despite the use of an old name. I havent seen one but they look nice online). He ultimately decided on another boat but was "almost shocked" how well it rode on a choppy day we took him out in.

https://www.tidalfish.com/forums/sho...=1#post1636306
I should go over and tour their factory. I live in HarCo so I could take a day and look around. I really don't know much about the company but I have seen a couple Judge's on the upper bay and they have caught my attention. I wonder how they are when it comes to changing things up on the build? I am looking for a simple, functional light tackle boat. I fly fish a lot but I jig a good bit as well. I have an idea in my head of what I want in regards to layout of the boat. I too have a wife and 2 daughters but they will have to do without a head because I like the smaller console. Wonder about pricing on a bare bones 22?
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I would go with the Ox. That extra 6" of beam can make a big difference, especially when you have more than a couple people on the boat.
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I should go over and tour their factory. I live in HarCo so I could take a day and look around. I really don't know much about the company but I have seen a couple Judge's on the upper bay and they have caught my attention. I wonder how they are when it comes to changing things up on the build? I am looking for a simple, functional light tackle boat. I fly fish a lot but I jig a good bit as well. I have an idea in my head of what I want in regards to layout of the boat. I too have a wife and 2 daughters but they will have to do without a head because I like the smaller console. Wonder about pricing on a bare bones 22?
send me an email at ifishmd@gmail.com and I will send you price sheets on the 22 shoreman and 22cc.
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Originally Posted by peninsula_jumper View Post
I would go with the Ox. That extra 6" of beam can make a big difference, especially when you have more than a couple people on the boat.
I usually fish alone or with one other guy. Family cruise time will be 2 adults and 2 older teens. Will the 6" added beam be noticeably different in stability?
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I usually fish alone or with one other guy. Family cruise time will be 2 adults and 2 older teens. Will the 6" added beam be noticeably different in stability?
I've been on a few 8' beam CC's (that had a bunch more deadrise than mine), and they were way more apt to pitch, but that's not a great comparison though.

For me it's spacing around the console. I have size 12 feet, so the more room between the console and gunnel, the better. Especially when I'm helping little ones move around.
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Just make sure that you go for a ride in the judge. I took a judge 22 out about 8 years ago when I was looking. With just me standing in the stern water came in through the scuppers. I crossed it off my list immediately. Again, maybe they changed something, but just be sure that you go for a test drive before you buy to make sure that water doesn't still come in the scuppers when you stand in the back. The boat had a Honda four stroke on it, which I know is a heavy motor, but totally unacceptable to me.
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Old 05-01-2019, 01:40 PM
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Just make sure that you go for a ride in the judge. I took a judge 22 out about 8 years ago when I was looking. With just me standing in the stern water came in through the scuppers. I crossed it off my list immediately. Again, maybe they changed something, but just be sure that you go for a test drive before you buy to make sure that water doesn't still come in the scuppers when you stand in the back. The boat had a Honda four stroke on it, which I know is a heavy motor, but totally unacceptable to me.
You likely took a ride in an older hull with the older heavy 130 Hondas. (which had a dry weight of 505lbs; almost as much as new v6 300hp motors). Even the newer Honda 150's are much lighter. Standard power on the shoreman is 140 Suzuki and 175 on the 22cc

Judge revamped the hull and is using lighter composite materials. The boat is even popular for commercial users. If looking used, the way you can tell the new hull is looking at the forward chines. The new hull has forward chines pulled out. It is also a much drier running hull.

Here is used one that was listed on YachtWorld that is pretty much the base 22cc. It has the standard leaning post and t-top. Options on this boat included Forward seating, underwater lights, hull color, bottom paint, underwater lights and electronics.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...ustom-3213540/
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They are both VERY wet rides.
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They are both VERY wet rides.
Either has to be significantly better than my old scow. How about a May-Craft?
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Where are the pictures?
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I know nothing about the Judge. A friend of mine just bought a new Sea Ox 20, with a 200 hp Suzuki. I thought it would be under powered, but the motor is a perfect match for the hull. I'm very impressed with it. It's light, seems to be very sturdily built, handles predictably, and provides a nice ride. I'll know more about it this weekend. We're going cobia fishing with it on Saturday off of the NC outer banks.
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They are both VERY wet rides.
In all seriousness, is that s first hand knowledge? Also, what is a better riding new boat in the 21-23' catagory?
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Originally Posted by Backdoc01 View Post
Either has to be significantly better than my old scow. How about a May-Craft?
May-Crafts are great. Like Jones Bros they are based off of the old (1994) Sea Ox molds. They're not as nice as a Jones but a good solid boat. I'd probably still go with the new sea ox for the closed transom but it's still better than a judge in my opinion.
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I have been fishing a Judge 22 inshore (2013) for the past 4 years. Simple layout with a Suzuki 140. Very economical to run, good on the drift. Not a rocket ship but low 20s (knots) cruise @ 4-5 GPH. My take on the boat is that it is a really good fishing platform for the $, spacious and super easy to clean/maintain/run (in my basic layout). I can plane it with 10+ passengers. One of the benefits of this hull is it is a commercial hull thus no passenger/payload plaque. As to the comment on it being wet, I have only experienced this in the open North Atlantic with 3-4 ft + quartering seas (and in that it is wet). I do not have the water coming in the scuppers one poster mentioned. For inshore chop I can stay on top and stay dry.

If I recall correctly Judge was running a web special a couple years back for 30k for the base boat. Not sure of prices now. Good luck with the search.
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Between those two for no other reason than you can work with a company local to you and have input throughout the build process and have excellent product support close by after. I would go with the Judge.
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