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Old 04-24-2019, 02:33 PM
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Boat is still under warranty. A crack developed in the HAZ of the weld on the bottom half of a connection in the t-top. I took the boat to the dealer and they had a welder provide an estimate. The manufacturer is denying the claim based on installing an aftermarket radome, saying the weight of the radar caused the crack.

Iím looking for feedback. Iím not an expert on this and Iíve certainly broken things before but I think where/how the radome was mounted compared to where the failure happened indicates they arenít related, or if they are, the weld was not satisfactory to begin with.

The radar is a Garmin 24Ē Phantom. I have included a few pics of the failed weld as well as a picture identifying the failed connection (red circle) and where the radome is mounted (green circle). Itís on a 6Ē tall forward leaning pedestal. No other welds have cracked nor do any look to be suspect or on the brink of failure.

Let me know now what you think. Should I lay down and come out of pocket to fix this (if I fix it) or should I push back.

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Old 04-24-2019, 02:44 PM
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Those are some pretty nasty looking welds. Looks more like some back yard amature welding job.
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The welds don’t look too bad. The cracks are in the parent metal, not the bead itself. The weight of the dome, combined with the bouncing and swaying of the top definitely contributed to the failing. If you can get them to split the repair cost, you’d be doing good. That top looks kind of flimsy as it is. I’ll bet that thing sways all over the place in a chop. Good luck!
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They should anticipate that users will install radomes and the metal should have been designed to be compatible. Feel free to post the manufacturers name in a call out thread. Are those real welds or did they use a soldering iron??
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Based on your pics, itís hard to believe the weight of the radome would have any effect at all on the stress that the cracked joint sees. Other joints maybe, but not the cracked one.

No matter, though. The structure should be strong enough to hold the radome. All that pipework isnít necessary just to support a piece of canvas. Iím surprised that theyíre pushing back on fixing it.
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Welds look suspect to me for sure. Almost looks like the metals never melted together, more like the bead just kind of went around the metal. Iíd be hard pressed to accept their response
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make/model/year?

have you escalated all the way up to the top at the manufacturer?
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At this point I think I would find a very competent welder and make him my new best friend.
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Originally Posted by sharktripper View Post
The welds donít look too bad. The cracks are in the parent metal, not the bead itself. The weight of the dome, combined with the bouncing and swaying of the top definitely contributed to the failing. If you can get them to split the repair cost, youíd be doing good. That top looks kind of flimsy as it is. Iíll bet that thing sways all over the place in a chop. Good luck!
I'm going with this one. The crack is in the heat effected metal. It might have cracked there eventually but the extra weight definitely helped.

I'd be hard pressed to blame the vendor unless they said it was ok to run a radome.
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Pictures of the whole T-top and the radar.
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
make/model/year?

have you escalated all the way up to the top at the manufacturer?

2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk. Purchased brand new in September 2017. Radar installed May 2018. T-top is a factory installed t-top, i.e. came with the boat.

I have not escalated anything yet. I wanted to see what feedback I get from yíall first.
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That should have ben welded with a TIG and not what looks like a MIG
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First question is, did the boat manufacturer build the T Top as well? In a lot of cases, the manufacturer will have a T Top manufacturer make and mount the top. I know in the Central FL area, a few builders will send the hull to Quality T Tops in Tarpon Springs and they build and install the top and then send it to the dealer. I think Birdsall in S FL does that for a few boat manufacturers as well. If that is the case with your manufacturer and they didn't build the T Top in house, your claim may not be with them.
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Originally Posted by xl883lo View Post
Pictures of the whole T-top and the radar.
This.
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Originally Posted by alweld92 View Post
At this point I think I would find a very competent welder and make him my new best friend.
Yes, if the rest of the welds look as bad as that one, he's going to be sending you Christmas cards every year!
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Originally Posted by Diverboy View Post
First question is, did the boat manufacturer build the T Top as well? In a lot of cases, the manufacturer will have a T Top manufacturer make and mount the top. I know in the Central FL area, a few builders will send the hull to Quality T Tops in Tarpon Springs and they build and install the top and then send it to the dealer. I think Birdsall in S FL does that for a few boat manufacturers as well. If that is the case with your manufacturer and they didn't build the T Top in house, your claim may not be with them.
Whaler installed the t-top as a factory option.
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Yeah, from images I don't think I would have put much in the way of anything on the top of that structure - or would have asked first.

In any case good luck OP.

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Those are very pathetic welds, there's no two other ways about that. I'm not certain what size boat that t-top is on, but it looks like something that should go on a 18 ft Carolina skiff.
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by xl883lo View Post
Pictures of the whole T-top and the radar.
For as much as I love the boat I really donít have a lot of pics. Hers what I could round up. The boat is still with the dealer so I canít get detailed pics.





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Plenty of radars mounted on BW boats, that's a BS answer, it's definitely their problem take it up the ladder!!! I will say that it is a pretty skimpy looking top, I think they should have done better.
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