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Old 04-24-2019, 04:00 PM
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Whether or not the welds are good....Brunswick is on solid ground by denying the warranty claim unless they specifically said it was Ok to install a radome.

Factual or not, they are on solid ground to say that you modified the top (by drilling holes in it and mounting a heavy appendage to it), and that modification (arguably) caused or contributed to the failure. Case closed.

Sure, they could have warrantied it, arguably should have warrantied it, but chose not to and the law will side with them.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
Yeah, from images I don't think I would have put much in the way of anything on the top of that structure - or would have asked first.

In any case good luck OP.

I would say the cracks are more from rods being in the holders on the back of the top, than the radar being in the middle. Radar has nothing to do with the stressloads of where the cracks are.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:02 PM
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if you are sure its covered under warranty, shoot an email to the boston whaler exec. if that doesnt work then brunswick exec. keep it fact-based and concise. i had to do it for a different one of their brands for a different reason. they took care of things in the end. i think you will have issue in that the radar was not factory installed. do they offer radar as an option? was it installed to OEM specs? did a BW dealer do the install?

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Old 04-24-2019, 04:03 PM
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Amature Welding Job, I would never accept. Not able to say that contributed to the Stress Fractures of The Aluminum used on theT-Top BUT No Way should that occur simply from use.
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Originally Posted by Blazer7420 View Post
I would say the cracks are more from rods being in the holders on the back of the top, than the radar being in the middle. Radar has nothing to do with the stressloads of where the cracks are.
maybe You can represent him at the dealer/manufacturer and let us all know how that goes
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The tube gauge could have a lot to do with this. Looks thin to me
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The tube gauge could have a lot to do with this. Looks thin to me
yah think?
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Sorry your dealing with this. I'd take it up the ladder. By change did your dealer install the radar?
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
maybe You can represent him at the dealer/manufacturer and let us all know how that goes
Well if you look at the pipe that is broken then you can tell its not the radar that caused it. The pipe goes straight back. The radar is mounted on the main support of the top. I think its just another cop-out from another well know company gone bad.
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
yah think?
yes , thatís why I said it.
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Originally Posted by silver01 View Post
Well if you look at the pipe that is broken then you can tell its not the radar that caused it. The pipe goes straight back. The radar is mounted on the main support of the top. I think its just another cop-out from another well know company gone bad.
K, so the dealer sees this boat equipped the way it is most likely on a daily basis. They see this same boat equipped without radome most likely way more than equipped. You don't think they would be able to tell if the extra weight made a difference on #'s of boats equipped without radome and without failure?

Just a question here.
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Originally Posted by silver01 View Post
Well if you look at the pipe that is broken then you can tell its not the radar that caused it. The pipe goes straight back. The radar is mounted on the main support of the top. I think its just another cop-out from another well know company gone bad.
Without doing an engineering analysis with strain gauges, etc., it's really impossible to know if the dome caused the failure....but you don't need an engineering analysis to prove that the weight of the dome causes the entire framework to bend and stress more under load with it than without it.

For that reason alone, Magnusson Moss will entitle them to deny the warranty claim. Are the welds negligent or defective? Maybe, maybe not. But they didn't fail until after the top was modified.

Can't hurt to try to push for warranty repair or other compensation, but Brunswick knows this game very, very well.

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To me a crack in the heat zone of the weld like that tells me it was welded too hot.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:40 PM
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Does the main structure seem flimsy? Is there noticeable movement when pulling/tugging on the top frame?

if so I’d be more worried that rewelding the existing welds will only come back to haunt you down the road. My experience would tell me to add reinforcement (gussets or 45 deg pipe) to stiffen the weak areas.

I would think trailering and/or pounding seas are the most destructive forces here and a weak structure is just shortcuts from the faulty factory design. If I didn’t already have the equipment to fix it myself I’d be pushing for factory warranty work.
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
K, so the dealer sees this boat equipped the way it is most likely on a daily basis. They see this same boat equipped without radome most likely way more than equipped. You don't think they would be able to tell if the extra weight made a difference on #'s of boats equipped without radome and without failure?

Just a question here.
I dont quite get your question. But I really dont see the weight of the radar on the main tubes causing a secondary pipe to break. But then again anything is possible in the boating world.
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Is it possible some one like ‘ Fat Bastard ‘ was the radar installer and he caused the problem
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For as much as I love the boat I really don’t have a lot of pics. Hers what I could round up. The boat is still with the dealer so I can’t get detailed pics.
I would pick a random BW dealer away from you and see if they say what the weight limit for the radar is and if the dealers would routinely install one of your size on their T-top........this would be good information to know.
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That looks pretty flimsy. For the amount of money they charge I'd expect something more robust.
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I dont quite get your question. But I really dont see the weight of the radar on the main tubes causing a secondary pipe to break. But then again anything is possible in the boating world.
If the dealer saw 20 of these same boats throughout the year while they were in for service or had no claims for warranty work on boats equipped as this one is (without) radar and then this one shows up for a warranty claim with a radome installed post delivery wouldn't you think they had a decent sample size to make the determination that the one with the radome was the only one with the failure.
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For as much as I love the boat I really donít have a lot of pics. Hers what I could round up. The boat is still with the dealer so I canít get detailed pics.





really like the boat though. Hope you get some sort of resolution.

Sucks because ain't no way to use it like that or more welds will definitely fail.
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