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Old 07-17-2017, 08:19 AM   #1
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Default Actualy Tow Weights of Rig

Wife is looking to get a new vehicle, and the 2017 Explorer seems to fit the bill well. Only thing I'm worried about is it being able to tow enough.

The Sport model (has Ecoboost V6 and AWD) is rated for 5k lbs.
The boats I'm looking at are 21-22' bay boats with double axle trailers (with brakes). The hull weights for 22' boats seem to average around 2300lbs (hull only).

Does anyone have actual numbers for their rig and trailer when pulling to the launch? I'm figuring on 500lbs motor, another 700 for wiring, fuel, accessories, batteries, etc. I don't know what a double axle aluminum trailer weighs and i can't seem to find a resource for it.

I want to be sure i stay under that 5k lbs tow weight.

Will the explorer work for what i want?
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You sure that's hull weight? Usually the boat manufacturers list dry weight with or without motors, so you shouldn't need to add in any extra weight for wiring, tanks, batteries, etc. Usually you only need to add in the below.

Gas is around 6 lbs / gallon. How many gallons does the tank hold? A quick google search lists 50 - 100 gallon capacity.
Motor: 500lbs is probably a good estimate for a 2-stroke. Add 150-200 lbs for 4 stroke.
Trailer: Figure at least 800 - 900 lbs for 21-22' boats.
Gear: ???

So, assuming 2300 lbs is dry weight, here's a conservative estimate assuming 75 gallon tank.
Boat: 2300
Fuel: 450
Motor: 700
Trailer: 900

Total without gear is looking like 4350. Depending on gear load, I could see you being over the limits, and if that weight you indicated is indeed hull only, you'll be over.
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Using the 90% rule of thumb ( shouldn't tow more than 90% of your towing capacity), that leaves you at 4500 pounds. Using Belzelbub's numbers above, you are dangerously close to that number.
Stopping needs to be considered more than "can it tow it".
Personally, I would NOT feel comfortable with that Explorer ( though in every other regard a sweet vehicle: we had one: sold it for a new Suburban when the family grew last year). Also, the above numbers did not account for "gear". So, add another 200 pounds or so for rods, tackle, cast net, landing net, food, ice, cooler, water, beverages, etc.... you have surpassed your tow limit.
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Define towing.

Are you talking in town, short trips to the ramp, or interstate trips at speed. Short trips, don't blink an eye towing at/near max.

Long tows or interstate speeds, get something rear wheel drive. You simply can't stuff enough metal into a transverse transaxle to hold up to frequent high speed towing, eliminating crossovers and minivans from consideration for that use. The good news is the new full size SUV's are getting great mileage, and work wonderfully for both duties.
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I have a 2017 explorer that is pulling a 22 Tritoon that weighs more than just about any 22 foot bayboat. Dry weight is 2650. Its over 4000 pounds easily on the trailer. I have the 3.5 V6 motor. Its not the Ecoboost motor. It starts and stops the boat just fine. Actually handles it very well. But the motor itself is pretty strained at speeds over 55 on any kinda hill or over pass on the interstate. It downshifts to 4th gear and RPMS get close to 4000 just to maintain speed.

The Ecoboost motor is a lot better for towing. Much more low end torque. The Explorer itself will do fine. Just the V6 3.5 is strained a lot.

I wouldn't be scared at all to tow a 22 bayboat with an Explorer aslong as you get the Ecoboost motor.

I have had 3 Ecoboost in trucks. Pull like a diesel. The Explorer is a detuned Ecoboost.
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With AWD you have no problem at the ramp either. Most 22 foot mid tier bayboats will be 4200 to 4700 pounds on the trailer loaded for fishing.
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I have a 2017 explorer that is pulling a 22 Tritoon that weighs more than just about any 22 foot bayboat. Dry weight is 2650. Its over 4000 pounds easily on the trailer. I have the 3.5 V6 motor. Its not the Ecoboost motor. It starts and stops the boat just fine. Actually handles it very well. But the motor itself is pretty strained at speeds over 55 on any kinda hill or over pass on the interstate. It downshifts to 4th gear and RPMS get close to 4000 just to maintain speed.

The Ecoboost motor is a lot better for towing. Much more low end torque. The Explorer itself will do fine. Just the V6 3.5 is strained a lot.

I wouldn't be scared at all to tow a 22 bayboat with an Explorer aslong as you get the Ecoboost motor.

I have had 3 Ecoboost in trucks. Pull like a diesel. The Explorer is a detuned Ecoboost.

Here are the specs on your Explorer w/ the nonecoboost v6:

2017 Ford Explorer 3.5L V6 4WD SUV


MPG: 16 city / 23 highway
Horsepower: 290 hp @ 6,400 rpm
Towing capacity: 2,000 lbs
Engine: 3.5 L V6
Curb weight: 4,629 lbs
Torque: 255 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

Manufacturer states your nonecoboost v6 can tow 2000 pounds. Maybe thats why she strains to pull your boat at 55mph. You are taking your future into your hands every time you tow that boat w/ that explorer: Any accident you get in, ambulance chasers are going to consume you with litigation. You may want to reconsider your tow vehicle w/ your 22 triton, especially at the highway speeds you described in your post.

Your statement that ecoboosts have a ton of low end torque puzzles me: the turbo's don't kick in until the upper RPM range. So a more accurate statement would be Ecoboosts have a lot of high end torque.

Your last statement about "pulls like a diesel" is inaccurate by definition. My diesel truck has has low end torque and stops with the diesel exhaust brakes. The ecoboost winds up the turbo at higher RPMS and THAT is where she gets her torque. Finally, stopping w/ a diesel truck often times doesn't even require a brake pedal just taking your foot off the gas.

So, to say your ecoboost pulls like a diesel is arguably a poor analogy. Maybe you've never towed with a diesel?
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With AWD you have no problem at the ramp either. Most 22 foot mid tier bayboats will be 4200 to 4700 pounds on the trailer loaded for fishing.

I agree
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An explorer will be limited with the type of boat you are looking at. Short trips to the ramp on flat land, you will be ok. Any distance hauling it will be strained.
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Your facts aren't correct. I have an XLT with the 3.5 V6 its rated for 5000 pounds towing. It comes with the 5000 pound hitch. Its a V3 receiver I believe. Its even on the Ford website that the V6 tows 5000 pounds. I will find it and post it.

The Ecoboost in the trucks 2016 and older make max torque at either 2500 or 3000 rpms. So it does in fact pull like a diesel. Other people have also noted that on here.

The V8 motors are making max torque at 4000 RPMS or more.

Pretty sure my 2015 made max torque at 2500 according to FORD. So that's in the low RPM range for sure.

You need to read FORD's website more closer.


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Here are the specs on your Explorer w/ the nonecoboost v6:

2017 Ford Explorer 3.5L V6 4WD SUV


MPG: 16 city / 23 highway
Horsepower: 290 hp @ 6,400 rpm
Towing capacity: 2,000 lbs
Engine: 3.5 L V6
Curb weight: 4,629 lbs
Torque: 255 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

Manufacturer states your nonecoboost v6 can tow 2000 pounds. Maybe thats why she strains to pull your boat at 55mph. You are taking your future into your hands every time you tow that boat w/ that explorer: Any accident you get in, ambulance chasers are going to consume you with litigation. You may want to reconsider your tow vehicle w/ your 22 triton, especially at the highway speeds you described in your post.

Your statement that ecoboosts have a ton of low end torque puzzles me: the turbo's don't kick in until the upper RPM range. So a more accurate statement would be Ecoboosts have a lot of high end torque.

Your last statement about "pulls like a diesel" is inaccurate by definition. My diesel truck has has low end torque and stops with the diesel exhaust brakes. The ecoboost winds up the turbo at higher RPMS and THAT is where she gets her torque. Finally, stopping w/ a diesel truck often times doesn't even require a brake pedal just taking your foot off the gas.

So, to say your ecoboost pulls like a diesel is arguably a poor analogy. Maybe you've never towed with a diesel?
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Final Drive GCWR (lbs.) Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (lbs.)
Engine Ratio FWD 4WD Automatic Transmission
2.3L EcoBoost® I4 3.36 6,900 – 2,000(1)
3.36 7,950 – 3,000(2)
3.51 – 8,150 3,000(2)
3.5L V6 3.39 6,900 – 2,000(1)
3.65 – 7,110 2,000(1)
3.39 9,950 – 5,000(3)
3.65 – 10,150 5,000(3)
3.5L EcoBoost® V6 3.16 – 10,400 5,000(3)

There you go 5000 pounds towing.
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Peak Torque:
420 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm (2011 - 2016 MY F-150)
470 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm (2017 MY F-150)
510 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm (H.O. 2nd Gen Raptor only)

I would call 2500 low RPMS for making max torque.

So please explain how the turbos aren't working at low rpms if the max torque is 2500 rpms?

Seems like they working quite well.

I have towed the exact same 5000 pound boat with an Ecoboost and the new 5.3 Chevy. Both 6 speeds. The Chevy downshifts constantly to 4th gear at 70 mph on any kinda hill. It makes max torque at over 4000 rpms. So makes since that it does that.

The Eco stays locked in 5th gear on cruise control. Doesn't downshift. Guess what the RPMS are around 2300 or so in 5th gear doing 70. That's right at max torque RPMS.

So yes it tows much like a diesel.
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Not looking to get into a p***ing contest, but based on your stats, this motor makes roughly 50% of the torque a Ford diesel makes. I agree that the torque is down relatively low, which is good, but we need to be clear that while its characteristics are similar and it appears well set up for its weight rating, it does not tow like a diesel at all.

My view is to go by whatever the manufacturer rates its vehicles to tow. I don't agree with the "I only tow it a few miles each way, so it is fine" comments. In my opinion, you are asking for trouble if you tow over the weight rating on any vehicle.

This is what lawyers and insurance companies look for and drool over..
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My view is to go by whatever the manufacturer rates its vehicles to tow. I don't agree with the "I only tow it a few miles each way, so it is fine" comments. In my opinion, you are asking for trouble if you tow over the weight rating on any vehicle.
I agree in general that you shouldn't overweight a vehicle. That said, a manufacturers tow rating doesn't mean that it is suited, or good at, towing that maximum weight in all conditions, or will hold up doing so frequently.
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I pull an AXIS A22 wakeboard boat ALL the time with the wife's 2015 Sport. We even took it from SC to Wisconsin and it yanked that boat through the mountains sometimes without ever shifting out of overdrive!! It wasn't til we arrived in Milwaukee that I forgot the ballast bags were almost full!!

If you go test drive a Sport... do something the salesmen have NO clue about!! The center knob, turn it two clicks to the right and put the Sport into "SAND MODE" as this turns off ALL the Government Nannies ruining all the FUN and switches the drive system PTO to a Rear Drive Priority... kinda like the "Drift Mode" on the Focus RS. It also commands FULL BOOST at Low RPM. It will also take ALL the exponential out of the throttle making it a bit touchy, (READ: OMFG THIS IS A BLAST TO DRIVE... Mustang KILL MODE ENGAGED)!!

If you also get it tuned, remove the roof rack and really wanna get trick, you can swap the diffs and get it into the high 12s in the quarter mile... then use it to tow your real race car!
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We have a 2015 Explorer with the standard 3.5L V6 engine and our Sea Hunt 235 with Yamaha 250 Offshore is about as big as it can handle. Pulls the boat out of the slip no problem but it's a dog on the highway and gets about 11MPG. Additionally, the weight of the boat can be felt considerably and on anything but smooth highways we bounce around a little.

Explorer Towing Capacity: 5000lb
Sea Hunt 234 Ultra, Gas, 250HP, Dual-axle trailer: 5180lb

I borrowed an F150 XLT with the 3.5L Ecoboost and while I wasn't expecting a big difference it was night and day. The engine had no problem pulling the boat and the weight of the boat was no problem.

That said, the Explorer will work just fine for what you're looking to tow, specially with the Ecoboost engine. Drive safely and keep the trailer brakes serviced.
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Don't forget the weight of all the passengers?? Take a house scale weigh yourself, then weigh yourself holding the tackle boxes, ice chests filled with ice, etc, drinking bottles, your anchor rode, anchor/chain/200' of line, and all the rest of the stuff you, your passengers bring on board, it adds up real quick !!!!
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I agree in general that you shouldn't overweight a vehicle. That said, a manufacturers tow rating doesn't mean that it is suited, or good at, towing that maximum weight in all conditions, or will hold up doing so frequently.

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And is precisely the thinking that went into my last vehicle purchase. Knew I'd be pulling frequently and for distance often. Even though a light load (single axle trailer and 16' boat); I wanted a vehicle functional when 5 years old and >100,000 miles on it. No need for overkill with a 3/4 ton; and needed to be comfortable as a daily driver too.

We live in hilly terrain and EVERY gas engine displacing fewer than 8 cylinders put out RPM >5,500 when running 60 MPH up hill; and we have some hills that are miles long. Sustained and repeated work like this will NOT lengthen engine life. These are conditions where the diesel has it over gas. This is before we talk brakes, transmission, cooling.
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I dont think its wise to tow right at the capacity of the TV . The engines in most of todays rigs have the balls to move the load but the risk of your familys and everyone else on the roads safety is not worth it . IMHO you need a smaller boat or bigger TV .
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The V6 or V8 Durango are better options IMO for towing if you want an SUV similar in size to the Explorer.
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