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Old 05-19-2017, 05:40 AM   #1
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Default Need truck advice. Older cummins vs powerstroke

I am looking to pick up another diesel truck. Need a crew cab 4x4 and prefer leather, i have a $20k budget. This appears to put me in the 2004-2008ish year range with around 150k miles. Always been a ford guy but i know ford didnt have particularly good engines those years. Should i be looking for a cummins instead. I will be daily driving it roughly 100 miles or more per day so reliability is important. Just need something to get me by for a year or two until i get my house finished and money saved back up.
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If it were me, I'd get the Dodge. The problem with the Dodge is finding a crew cab and not what they called quad cab. It is a 4 door but extended cab not a full crew. There are many people that have said the 'bullet proofed' 6.0psd is a reliable motor. I have no experience with a bullet proofed one. Just my poor experience with the factory Ford.
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In that age range truck, assuming you want an automatic, I would go with option C......LBZ Duramax. Solid motor, and transmission combo.

And I'm a Dodge guy. If you don't mind shifting, then Cummins all the way.
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Definitely want an auto. I dont mind shifting but my wife sure does and since I'd like to keep her happy, I'll stick with the auto.

My problem with a duramax is actually the allison. I know its suppose to be a great transmission, but of the 3 people i know personally that own them, two have had to have a rebuild/replacement and both were significantly more costly to repair than a ford or dodge would have been.
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Definitely want an auto. I dont mind shifting but my wife sure does and since I'd like to keep her happy, I'll stick with the auto.

My problem with a duramax is actually the allison. I know its suppose to be a great transmission, but of the 3 people i know personally that own them, two have had to have a rebuild/replacement and both were significantly more costly to repair than a ford or dodge would have been.
Were their's the 6 speed version? My understanding, and its just that, understanding, is that the LBZ's all were mated to a 6 speed, and it is a significant improvement compared to the earlier 5 speed trucks.

Regardless, I would stay the heck away from any 6.0 or 6.4 Ford.

The other factor for me is that I do not like solid front axles on the Ford or Dodge. Sure, I know they are stronger, but also require more maintenance to keep them driving good. I currently drive a 1/2 ton, but if I move to a 3/4 ton or 1 ton, it will be a GM for that reason alone.
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Get a megacab. Find Tim Holt's suggestions for upgrading the trans and roll out.
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I own both 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke 6.4 has 255k miles tuned and deleted knock on a oak tree it's been good my 6.0 is head studded and EGR removed it's been good also knock on wood.I work on powerstrokes for a living so if you want info feel free to PM me the 05-07 is the best year 6.0 lots of people hate them but once you fix the design flaws they aren't bad.

You can buy a really nice 05-07 6.0 for $20k with low miles already head studded just have to look for one plus the 05-07 has the better coil spring radius arm suspension and not leaf springs like the old years had 04 and under.
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Were their's the 6 speed version? My understanding, and its just that, understanding, is that the LBZ's all were mated to a 6 speed, and it is a significant improvement compared to the earlier 5 speed trucks.
Your memory and mine are completely different. My memory is it was a software only change to add a gear.

PS - I had an 'o7 MegaCab gas. It was a fine truck and would have been that much better with a Cummins.
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My pops has an 04 Dodge with the Cummins, and he still swears by that truck. I'd go that way, or LBZ/deleted LMM DMax.
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As a die-hard Ford guy...get whichever one you find and like the best. Both are good trucks, but make sure the 6.0 has been bulletproofed if you go that route.

The Ford and Dodge front ends are indeed stronger than the IFS on GMs. The Dodge wears out faster than the Ford, but they both need attention ever so often. I'm just not a fan of IFS on HD trucks.

Interior of Ford is going to be substantially nicer than a Dodge of those year models...especially if you're looking at trim levels with leather.
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The problem with Dodge trucks of that era is not the engine--it's the rest of the truck. It wasn't until recently that the Ram truck's components were really decent. If you're used to Fords, you won't be satisfied.

I personally wouldn't want to place a truck of that age, no matter the brand, on the road everyday in high mileage usage. I'd rather have a gas engine truck that's newer with less miles--for the same money.
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HD trucks last alot longer than normal vehicles. The F250 in particular is ranked as one of the longest lasting vehicles on the road, in any category.

I understand your point though. However I think you can find a 10-15 year old truck that's more than up to the task. My 7.3 is a 99 and I would have no second thoughts about putting into daily high mileage service (other than not wanting to rack up that many miles on it). My daily drivers for an 85 mile commute are a 95 4Runner and, as of last week, a 2003 4Runner. They have 305,000 and 220,000 miles, respectively.

The point being you can have a 10 year old or older vehicle and still use it for reliable, high mileage service.
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I have a 10 year old Ram 3500 4X4 with the CTD, best most reliable truck I've had to date, and I use to get Fords exclusively. All 4x4 1 tons. Had more trouble with the Ford front end than the Dodge. The CTD is a beast of an engine, easy too maintain and my auto tranny is still good,the interior suits me, I work the Dodge 5-6 days a week. This is the longest I've kept a truck, usually trade at 5, 6 years. No plans on going New yet.
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I will say, it is very telling that the choice of pipeline welders, towing trucks, and fleet vehicles is almost exclusively either Ford or Dodge.

And most fire departments use Fords as their brush trucks and squad/rescue trucks.

They are tough vehicles.
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I would buy a gas truck if it is a "one year get by" truck and my daily driver is a 2001 F250 diesel that I would have no problem taking across the country leaving right now if I were so inclined. In my opinion, you run less risk of buying an unreliable money pit that way. Once you get settled buy what you want.
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buying a gas truck isn't an option for me. I drive all day for work, 100 miles minimum, and need a 3/4 ton truck, I would go broke buying gas. I currently have a 2001 v10 excursion and at 10mpg going downhill with a tailwind, I need to get back into a diesel for fuel mileage. yes I know the diesel will cost more up front, but it will also return that money in a couple years when I sell it, where as with gas I will just be throwing it away. thanks for all the help guys.
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buying a gas truck isn't an option for me. I drive all day for work, 100 miles minimum, and need a 3/4 ton truck, I would go broke buying gas. I currently have a 2001 v10 excursion and at 10mpg going downhill with a tailwind, I need to get back into a diesel for fuel mileage. yes I know the diesel will cost more up front, but it will also return that money in a couple years when I sell it, where as with gas I will just be throwing it away. thanks for all the help guys.
Get a 6.0 and not a 6.4, the 6.4 fuel mileage is shit.

For example, I had a 2009 F-250, stock tires, 3.73 gears 4 door, 4wd. 85% highway driving I would get 15 mpg on an eco tune, it was 12-13 mpg before that.

The 6.0 is much better on fuel, plus the parts for a 6.4 are crazy expensive compared to a 6.0.
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Definitely want an auto. I dont mind shifting but my wife sure does and since I'd like to keep her happy, I'll stick with the auto.

My problem with a duramax is actually the allison. I know its suppose to be a great transmission, but of the 3 people i know personally that own them, two have had to have a rebuild/replacement and both were significantly more costly to repair than a ford or dodge would have been.
From what I can tell, the people having problems with Allisons basically created the problems by screwing with the trucks. Tuning them for 100 or more extra HP. No factory transmission is going to hold up to that kind of abuse - period. They add all that hp and it's fairly cheap to do. Then they leave the tranny stock because that's way more expensive to fix. End result -a smoked transmission. If you try hard enough, you can break a crowbar...

My old 5 spd Allison has 370k miles of serious use - lots of 10k lb + towing and I have yet to do anything other than fluid and filter changes. Best part of the dmax trucks if you ask me.


As fas as front-ends. I am another who will never buy a p/u with a solid axle front end. I drive 99.8% on-road and the GM IFS just makes so much more sense for that kind of use. It rides better, drives waaaaaaay better and will NEVER suffer from the death wobble. If I was off-road 99% of the time I might consider a solid axle front-end.
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It's all a matter of preference. Personally I hate the way IFS rides in a full-size truck. That's one of the reasons I'll never even remotely consider a GM.

Far as death wobble, to my knowledge there were only 1 or 2 years Ford had that issue. Between my dad and I, we have had about 9 or 10 different 250s and 350s between 99 and 2008 models. Never once have we had death wobble. Dodge I believe is much worse.

GM has used IFS for a long time in their trucks...I don't think there's really any issues to be concerned about as far as that goes. I just hate the added complexity of it in an HD truck. There's alot more parts to wear out. That said, it's a well known fact you will have to rebuild a Ford front end every 100-150k if you want it to stay good and tight. Not a big deal to do it.

I'm actually shocked Ford didn't switch to IFS with this new body style. I'm sure they did the research on whether or not to. In glad they didn't. The new Super Duty's ride and handle just as good as the GMs.

My 99 does not. you definitely know you are in a truck.
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Get a 6.0 and not a 6.4, the 6.4 fuel mileage is shit.

For example, I had a 2009 F-250, stock tires, 3.73 gears 4 door, 4wd. 85% highway driving I would get 15 mpg on an eco tune, it was 12-13 mpg before that.

The 6.0 is much better on fuel, plus the parts for a 6.4 are crazy expensive compared to a 6.0.
My animal vet has a 2008 6.4 f-350 srw he gets 20-21 on the highway after I deleted his truck before he use to get 14-15 stock.
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