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Old 11-24-2012, 07:06 PM
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When's do you think that one of the "Big 3" will produce a 1/2 ton diesel pickup? I'm thinking about a new truck, but I want want more gas mileage that what's out there today. Hopefully someone will introduce one soon, maybe in 2013 .....
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I dont think any of them is planning on bringing one out in 2013. I could see it happening in 2014-2016. Biggest problem is that they cant meet the emissions standards yet and the economy has put a hold on some projects. I believe that the "Big 3" will all introduce their diesel within a year or two of eachother.
Dodge is working on a 3.0 fiat made v6 diesel but we probable wont see it until 2014.
Ford has a 4.4-liter V-8 diesel to use in the F-150 but put off the introduction of it until later.

Titan might be the first to get a diesel.

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Im a service manager for a Dodge dealership. All I know is that my techs have a new 3.0 diesel class coming up.
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I'm not sure that a diesel would get better fuel economy and perform better than Fords Ecoboost engine. They have them already in most of the world but the emissions seem to be the issue for not having them here in the US.
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Well the rumors of a half ton Diesel have been around since the 1980s when GM had the 6.5 in half ton trucks. The real talks happened in the mid 2000s and where put on the shelve due to the economy. Based on the current rumors either the Titan the Ram or GM might have a 2015 model in 2014. Currently Ram has the Fiat motor and GM has the baby Duramax, but Cummins also has a motor that should meet the emission needs of a half ton. Another rumor is that GM and Ford have talked to Cummins about using this motor also. My bet is that you will not see a half ton Diesel anytime soon because of the CAFE numbers that the manufactures need to meet. Also the motors like the EcoBoost will take too many potential buyers away from the higher priced baby Diesels for it to make sense from a production number standpoint. Maybe 2020 Diesel electric to make the 2025 CAFE numbers?
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Why would you want this in a 1/2 ton? The numbers would not add up. Had a 2010 f150 X-Cab 4X4 with a 4.6 V-8 auto as a loaner for 6 weeks awhile back. Got 18+ mpg. And that was without all the gee-wizz trouble causing gizmos that are on an Eco-Boost.
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I heard that Mazda is coming out with a diesel truck.
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There have been also rumors of a Tacoma and Tundra diesel for a while. Toyota already has the diesel tacoma (aka HILUX) that they sell in other countries but don't here due to EPA regs, diesel stigma, etc. The most recent rumors I heard were 2014 for a diesel truck from toyota.....but I will believe it when I see it!
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Had a 94 silverdo half ton with a 6.5 diesel that I loved, would pull great but the 6.5 had some flaws with the fuel pump
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Don't really see it anytime soon. The demand that was there has faded some I think. With all the EPA regs, the diesels from the plug in a programmer crowd are fading away. The big three are all getting much better fuel milage out of their engines, and all producing very respectable torque numbers. Just don't see the benifits of it now. To get the milage up high enough to be an advantage will cut down on the power. But time will tell.
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In my part of the wilderness diesel is @ $4.19/gal, gas 3.59 or so. Almost 17% more for diesel. So, if you get 20% better economy with a diesel, you are about even after figuring in the slightly higher maintenance costs (more oil volume, fuel filter expense). With the almost-diesel-like low end torque out of the newer gas turbo, direct injected engines, a diesel seems like a tough sell at any sort of cost premium.

My thougts are Ford is committed to the Ecoboost (but announced both Ecoboost and a new diesel in the Transit van coming out next year), so the ball is in the GM and Fiat court. Fiat showed up with variable ride ht and 8 spd for their whack at better fuel economy on the Ram. Leaves GM as the most likely to try to have a "break through" powertrain and add a diesel with the new pickups coming out next year. They or any of the Japanese low volume trucks looking to make a move on the market and can subsidize the trucks by the huge profit they make on the rest of the lineup. Next shot for Ford would seem to be with the all new F150 coming out for the 2015 MY.
Fun stuff. We all win as the competitive market drives product improvements. The need for improved fuel economy is constant so no end in sight to improvements coming.
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I'd put money on the Ram getting it first... The Fiat connection will definitely make the diesel situation a reality faster than anyone else can. The 4.5 Duramax is dead, Ford is in love with the Eco-boost, but there are some rumors of a Cummins connection with GM in the future.
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In my part of the wilderness diesel is @ $4.19/gal, gas 3.59 or so. Almost 17% more for diesel. So, if you get 20% better economy with a diesel, you are about even after figuring in the slightly higher maintenance costs (more oil volume, fuel filter expense). With the almost-diesel-like low end torque out of the newer gas turbo, direct injected engines, a diesel seems like a tough sell at any sort of cost premium.

My thougts are Ford is committed to the Ecoboost (but announced both Ecoboost and a new diesel in the Transit van coming out next year), so the ball is in the GM and Fiat court. Fiat showed up with variable ride ht and 8 spd for their whack at better fuel economy on the Ram. Leaves GM as the most likely to try to have a "break through" powertrain and add a diesel with the new pickups coming out next year. They or any of the Japanese low volume trucks looking to make a move on the market and can subsidize the trucks by the huge profit they make on the rest of the lineup. Next shot for Ford would seem to be with the all new F150 coming out for the 2015 MY.
Fun stuff. We all win as the competitive market drives product improvements. The need for improved fuel economy is constant so no end in sight to improvements coming.
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as the EPA continues to strangle diesel the difference between the two is getting less and less so although I am a huge proponent of diesel I am afraid you are right.
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I heard that Mazda is coming out with a diesel truck.
Ford ranger diesel in europe is the most sexy truck alive, mazda might have made it for them

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When's do you think that one of the "Big 3" will produce a 1/2 ton diesel pickup? I'm thinking about a new truck, but I want want more gas mileage that what's out there today. Hopefully someone will introduce one soon, maybe in 2013 .....
Between the expectations of the EPA (zero emissions) and the American buyer (400+ hp) I don't think we will see a diesel half ton for years here in the states. If they would combine a capable 3.5 - 4.5L diesel with enough gears and help from an electric or HLA type assist that combined for mid 20 mpg in realistic driving it would be very interesting though.
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The intriguing thing about Ford's possible 1/2 ton diesels is that the engines already exist and are available in European Ford vehicles. Ford could very easily offer a diesel in North America, but they have made it clear that they don't want to force a product on consumers & will be holding off on 1/2 ton diesels until the demand is greater.
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Here is the Amarock TDI midsize diesel sold in Mexico
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I don't really know what the future of widely available diesel fuel in this country is going to be. There is much hoopla about changing over the diesel fleets to CNG due to the abundance and very low price.
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I don't really know what the future of widely available diesel fuel in this country is going to be. There is much hoopla about changing over the diesel fleets to CNG due to the abundance and very low price.
You can expect the price of diesel to be consistent with the demand for diesel. IOW, the price of diesel has little to do with EPA regs or cost of refining - it is closely tied to demand. There are a lot more diesels on the road today than there was ten years ago, and there will likely be a lot more in the future. More demand = higher prices. The future does not look good for the price of diesel.
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GM Has the 4.5l Duramax that was fully developed and scheduled to be released in 2010. When the company was taken over the new owners decided to cancel the project to focus on other things. I sent them an email about a year ago and was told they could start production on the engine in a matter of months. You can search a bunch of articles on it from around 2008. If I remember correctly they were talking about 25-27 highway MPG rating in the Tahoe/1500 Silverado. The was also considered to be offered as an option in the Traverse/Acadia, SRX, CTS, and maybe some others.
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