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Old 11-28-2011, 06:01 PM
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Default Ford F250 2005-2009 5.4 4x4 your advise

Okay heard some not good things about the diesels. How about the gasoline 8 cylinder engines. Any particular issues to be concerned with? Good/bad years? Or should I go with a diesel. Will not be towing all that much maybe to a few different locations over the NE season although the trips will be 2-3 hours each one way.

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Old 11-28-2011, 06:26 PM
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Check out Ford Truck Enthusiasts. There were issues with the gas engines shooting sparkplugs but there is an aftermarket fix for that. Have you looked at the V10? I had a 7.3 PSD and loved it. I am in the market for a new diesel but will not even look at the 6.0 or 6.4. The 6.7 is new, so I will wait to see how reliable it ends up being.
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The older generation 5.4's (97-03) had a "reputation" of shooting spark plugs through the heads. Have 2 friends with 01 (150K miles) and 02 (164K miles) 5.4's that haven't had any problems with spark plugs. 05-06 5.4's had problems with the cam phaser sensor and spark plugs getting broken off in the cylinder heads. They are good, reliable engines, although they are underpowered IMO. Had one in my 05 F150. Gave me no problems after I replaced the spark plugs EARLY and after I had my cam phase sensor replaced. It just seemed underpowered. I'd look for a V10 IMO. It is a torque monster and is what you want in your engine compartment if you're towing heavy (it is a gas guzzler though).
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Other than the spark plug issues, imo the 5.4 is a reliable power plant. I've had 2 of them. I will say they aren't exactly the most powerful engine. I would be concerned about a 3/4 ton truck being under-powered with the 5.4.
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Other than the spark plug issues, imo the 5.4 is a reliable power plant. I've had 2 of them. I will say they aren't exactly the most powerful engine. I would be concerned about a 3/4 ton truck being under-powered with the 5.4.
x2- I put a tuner on my 5.4, made a real difference, much more fun to drive.

2007 was the last year for the 6.0 diesel, by then they were fine.

2008-2010 will be the 6.4, quieter, more power, but they had cooling system issues, make sure all the updates are done.

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Have an '08 f250 X-Cab 4X4 Factory Outfitter build w/ 5.4L auto (snowplow,towing,camper, 4:10 LS, 18"wheels/tires). Plenty of grunt towing GW 20 on tandem trailer or 10K EQ trailer with NH TLB with other cat1 3 point equipment in bed. The factory towing pkg along with the "4" series gearing makes the difference. Same MPG either towing/hauling or just around town (11-12 mpg). Nice towing 'stroker' after it got "Roush'd".
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The 5.4 is a great if not old tech motor. It is considered marginal at best power wise in most every vehicle it has been put in for the last 5-7 years. This doesn't mean the motor is bad, just that compared to much more powerful V8's from ALL other truck manufactures, it was maligned as being rather weak in stock form. Of course Ford SVT straps a supercharger on them and pumps them up to +/- 500hp with warranty!

Given the correct gear set, the 5.4 in a 3/4 ton will be quite capable. More so than any 1/2 ton. Just don't drag race your oil burning brethren.

I have had two 5.4's. One in an expedition and one in an F150. The ONLY problem I had with the motor was that the spark plugs are in deep wells with individual coil packs. TWICE, following a thorough engine bay detail, a coil pack was shorted out and required replacement. Note to self: DONT SPRAY THE ENGINE BAY WITH WATER. Blow off the dust and wipe it down with a rag. I have heard from numerous mechanics that say they replace coil packs all the time from wayward water sprayed in the engine bay.
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That 5.4 will probably tow it fine but will it feel underpowered? Probably ... are you towing hills or just flat? You really need to take a look at how much you tow versus the cost of owning and more so, maintaining a diesel engine.

Diesel is definitely the way to go if money is not an issue. However, there are definite advantages to gas engines.... less costly fuel, less cost for oil changes, any engine issues on a diesel are more expensive.

I have a 3.5L Ecoboost gas engine F150 and have towed a 26' striper .. it towed fine but I had no hills to climb etc. and I traded in my diesel.

Good luck! You will be fine either way....
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I traded off my 2008 5.4L F-250 4WD due to what I felt was a lack of power. Did it tow the boat - yes, I just didn't like the higher RPMs and the transmission jumping to a lower gear on even the slightest inclines. Additionally the gas mileage was between 11-13 without the boat and 8-9 with the boat. I do not recall which rearend it had but I want to say it was the 3.73.

You ask for opinions, here's mine - a heavy, 3/4 ton, 4WD truck needs a bigger motor than a 5.4L.

I am at 44K on the 6.4L diesel and haven't had an issue - knock on wood!
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Just be prepared to be underwhelmed w/ the power as others have said. Brother has a 2005 F150, close friend had 2010 F250, both w/ 5.4's, air intake, programmer, cat back exhaust, 33" & 35" tires respectively. MPG 150 is 11-15, F250 9-13, towing/hwy. I'm pretty sure both have 3.73 gears. Other than that neither has had any prob's. I would say neither has the feel of power that my old truck had towing or passing, it was a 98 GM w/ vortec 350, same mod's & gears. Nowhere close to a diesel of any make, MPG or power.
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I towed a 25 foot Grady White, 5600 lbs boat with my 2008 F150 no problems, do you really need an F250 for a 24 foot boat? Would imagine it would wiegh less than 5600??
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The downshifting is when the factory towing package 'Tow-Haul' mode is not engaged. It changes the tranny shift points and locks out the overdrive. Using rigs without having "4" series gearing is also not best for towing. How many go to different sized tire/wheel combinations without figuring out what it does to the gearing? Claiming the 5.4 is an old tech motor with marginal power? What would you call VCT? And because it is a true 'stroker' it drives different than a short stroke motor. Comparing power is like 'mine is bigger than yours' crowing. Explain how construction and farm equipment get their work done with so 'little' horsepower? We have a NH TLB on the farm that pulls old barns down and yanks tree stumps that would make you cry. Try that with one of these trucks and let me know how you make out. See how long they run before destroying a tranny, rear end, driveshaft or motor. Been there done that.

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I towed a 25 foot Grady White, 5600 lbs boat with my 2008 F150 no problems, do you really need an F250 for a 24 foot boat? Would imagine it would wiegh less than 5600??

It's about 5500 to 6000 I'm estimating with gear, fuel etc.; plus the twin axle I-beam Loadmaster that's a bit overbuilt.

Well I tend to overdo things!

This is all great info, gentlemen. Maybe I should just get the new ecoboost jeez.


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You don't need a 3/4 ton to tow that McKee Craft, that is for sure. If you're looking used and want a Ford, I would look for a low mileage F150 with the FX4 package. This includes the 5.4 V8, 4X4 and the 3.73 rear end, it will handle that boat no problem.

A good friend of mine picked up a low mileage '08 F250 crew cab XLT 4X4 with the 5.4 earlier this year. He's in construction and he doesn't tow but he does plow. This truck replaces his 1990 GMC 2500 regular cab so it's quite a step up for him.

He has driven my '10 Tundra CrewMax 5.7 and he acknowledges that his truck is way down on power but I wouldn't want to plow with a Tundra and he got a great deal on the F250, which he coincidentally bought at a Toyota dealer where it had been traded in on a new Tundra. The 5.4 in the F250 will handle your boat just fine as well, I just wouldn't want to have to drive the 3/4 ton truck the rest of the time if you don't really need it.
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I have a 2010 Lariat F250 Crew Cab
the 5.4 is a little underpowered and it sucks gas but I still love it.

It tows great, has plenty of room , is upscale and the ride is pretty good considering it's a truck.

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What kind of mpg's are you seeing with that ecoboost?
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What kind of mpg's are you seeing with that ecoboost?
Haven't bought anything yet. Thinking that if I want a vehicle to also be able to drive while not towing it might be best to get the F150 ecoboost so normal driving will not be an unecessarily high fuel expense. As the F250 5.4 gets horrible city/highway mileage under non-towing driving compared the F150 ecoboost. Especially highway which is most of my driving.


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If you're going to use it everyday you'll be burning some serious gas.

I have 4 other 5.4's in vans for my business and they tow trailers everyday no problem but I need to get some stock in Sunoco!
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IMO that engine is way underpowered for that truck. It will have to struggle all the time which will cause poor fuel mileage and added wear and tear. Unfortunately your only other Ford non-diesel option is the V10 which has plenty of power but chugs gas faster than a college kid with a beer bong.

The 5.4 is also an overhead cam engine (OHC) which requires high RPM's to reach it's powerband. The low-end power is poor compared to a pushrod engine.
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