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Old 12-10-2011, 06:52 PM
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A while back I saw a Jeep Cherokee (year doesn't matter, all rated for 5k max) that had a ~26ft wa behind it. The thing was draggin ass and I VERY quickly got away from it on the road. I'd imagine the weight is similar to what you have and I'd imagine you'd get a similar experience of everyone avoiding you while on the road.
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I was really thinking the photo evidence of what happens when you overload a trailer hitch was helpful information. The hitch was on a 4runner, which is bigger than a Rav4. Maybe with the Rav4 being lighter it might not have enough pulling or stopping power to cause this kind of damage. Or it might be much worse. You could rip the hitch out from under the Rav 4 sending the boat slamming into a dock. People that want to tow heavy loads buy big trucks. They aren't for status. If you only tow a heavy load once or twice a year borrow or rent.

What class was that hitch? The one on my Rav looks heavier.
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What class was that hitch? The one on my Rav looks heavier.
Well, the one on your Rav is lighter than that hitch. That hitch is a class 3 rated for 5000 pounds and bolts into a frame, not a unibody.
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I saw a late 90s buick regal pull out a 25-26ft grady white with twin engines at the boat ramp. If that can pull that boat out, I think you might be ok.
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As if your whining wasn't annoying enough.

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No BS when I first posted I was concerned about body damage. Most of the posts on this thread relate to the fact that you are not (...are not what?) unless you drive a F350 and the Rav is not a truck for real men (well the rav4 is not a truck for real men b/c it's not a truck). Some of the people (very few) try to be helpful but after all the post('s) it is still not clear if pulling the boat up the ramp will do damage. I have tried to reasonable (to be reasonable) and nice but it seems that it is very hard to reasonable (to be reasonable) with some people on this forum.

After three months know one (no one) seems to provide any real information. I already know that if I was going to tow over the road (tow over the road? really?) I would need a much bigger truck but that it (is) not my focus. From day one I knew that the tow is much more than the recommended load. The photo of the Rav towing the truck is helpful and does show hope.

PS I am not trying to bash pick-up owners many of them use them for heavy tasks on a regular basis, just don't give me shit because I don't want to own one!
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:30 AM
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Fred you are missing the point, I understand the rating of the Rav I am just looking to do a .25 mile short haul at very low speed.
IF the hitch doest't tear off the frame pulling up the ramp, you've cleared the first hurdle without hurting or killing anyone or sinking your trailer with your torn off hitch attached, costing several hundred $'s min to recover.

IF the hitch doesn't rip off the frame stopping even from 10 MPH creeping up the street to turn into your driveway you've cleared the second hurdle without hurting/killing any neighbors, children, neighborhood pets or totalling your car as the bow of your boat plants squarely on your roof tailgate with your torn off hits sliding under the car, costing at least your insurance deductible ( lets say $500) IF the Insurance co doesn't deny your claim due to you severely overloading the tow vehicle (negligent operation) then it costs you $20k+...

IF the hitch doesn't rip off the frame backing and manuevering into your driveway you've cleared the third hurdle without hurting/killing yourself or your spotter or totaling your car as the bow of your boat plants squarely on your roof tailgate with your torn off hits sliding under the car or damaging your house & boat as the trailer slides into the house with your torn off hitch attached, costing several thousand $'s to repair...

THEN You still have the highly likely event that your uni-body 'framerail is highly tweaked due to having been loaded up with ~ 3x the max spec tongue weight and towing 2x the max spec gross weight, which can be repaired by a body shop for several thousand dollars, but it will be as good as new.


OR you could just rent a truck for a day for $100, or pay a neighbor / friend $50 bucks to help you with their truck, or buy a $1,000 F150 / Silverado/Tahoe/Suburban to use to launch your boat ( but you will find other uses for it on a monthly basis.)


So the choice is yours: A) risk $-thousands, and the possibility of injuring bystanders. B) select one of the easy/cheap options listed above...

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Where can I buy a,truck for $1,000 ?
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Can't let this thread die until either one of these things happen, with Videotaped proof.

1. The RAV4 pulls the boat out at the ramp without exploding. (I honestly think it will, no problem)

2. The RAV4 towing 3500 lbs wins a race against ANY F250 pulling the same 3500 lbs.
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Good GAWD...I troll this site daily and never post. I saw this thread months ago and didnt care to divulge. However, seeing that this has gone on for months, I took the 45 minutes to read the whole thing. None of these posts answered the OPs question

I had a Honda Ridgeline (unit body) that was rated for 5000#. Uni-body with a kick ass independant rear suspension. Factory tow package and the honda hitch was bolted to this subframe. I was worried about towing our rig with this but after checking out the factory installation, I felt a better knowing it was connected to the subframe and not directly to the unibody.

Ive seen these hitches installed directly to the unibody. I would consider that the absolute weak point. Id hope that the hitch has nice loooong flanges that are bolted and welded to the body. Otherwise, yes your unibody will be damaged. Sheetmetal back there is typically very thin with support only for accident impacts that are required by government testing.

To answer your questions, I believe it should be okay. Hell, Rav4 is technically front wheel drive. My Ridgeline was also. It was funny seeing big redneck rides spin tires tryin to pull a jon boat only to see the Honda put put out of the ramp with no drama. IOW, traction shouldnt be an issue either. But once you get over that bump at the ramp....Good Luck.

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Do a test with a boat of similar weight and end this misery!
If this idea has been brought up before i apologize. However, we will die before this gets finally answered. Just do it or bilge this POS thread.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:52 AM
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A while back I saw a Jeep Cherokee (year doesn't matter, all rated for 5k max) that had a ~26ft wa behind it. The thing was draggin ass and I VERY quickly got away from it on the road. I'd imagine the weight is similar to what you have and I'd imagine you'd get a similar experience of everyone avoiding you while on the road.
The newer Jeep GC are rated for 7400lbs. Depending on the boat it very well may have weighed less. The older models are rated for 5,000 lbs.

http://www.jeep.com/en/2012/grand_ch...bility/towing/

I don't disagree with you though, I wouldn't want to be near a passenger SUV (like a jeep) towing more than 2 tons on the highway.
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Original cherokee, not grand.
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It was funny seeing big redneck rides spin tires tryin to pull a jon boat only to see the Honda put put out of the ramp with no drama. IOW, traction shouldnt be an issue either. But once you get over that bump at the ramp....Good Luck.

That would be because the ridgeline doesn't have the nuts to spin tires !!!!

just look at all that power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdFxeeA94R4

Freak'n breathtaking, oh whats the load 2000 lbs ?
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I admit that I haven't had the time to read all 25 pages, but I once did use a RAV to pull a 3000 boat/trailer combo off a moderately pitched ramp and trailer about one mile to my house. I had to get the engine RPMs WAY up there to get the load moving. The car ultimately needed a transmission rebuild - not saying it was due to this, but who knows? I'm sure this has been mentioned, but it's torque that gets the load moved; doesn't matter if you have 200 or 300+ HP - ft lbs torque is what you need.
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How much does a transmission cost for a rav4?.....
This was post 14
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Don't do it. Even if you can get it moving, you're going to damage the vehicle and not be able to stop it. People get killed from doing things like that.
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I admit that I haven't had the time to read all 25 pages, but I once did use a RAV to pull a 3000 boat/trailer combo off a moderately pitched ramp and trailer about one mile to my house. I had to get the engine RPMs WAY up there to get the load moving. The car ultimately needed a transmission rebuild - not saying it was due to this, but who knows? I'm sure this has been mentioned, but it's torque that gets the load moved; doesn't matter if you have 200 or 300+ HP - ft lbs torque is what you need.
and your point is the great amount of torque a rav4 produces?....

the transmission overhaul was probably due to that load...the body/hitch/unibody/whatever is liable to sustain the load if worked very carefully....but mechanically the vehicle is not built to handle that kind of load...whatever torque it takes to move it is being transimitted through components that arent built to take it...

if you didnt need large diameter shafts and heavy parts to haul heavy loads they wouldnt need to build heavy duty trucks...components wil be twisted and stressed past their design limits and if they dont fail immediately their useful life will be shortened considerably...
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craigslist, frequently see them in there.
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Here's a few:
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/2736740195.html

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/2745961995.html

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/2721239202.html

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/2746250631.html

http://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/2727820993.html
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What do you understand the fact that a bunch of jerks that drive big pick- up have given me shit and I am tired of it !
No one is giving you shit for driving a RAV4, they are giving you shit because you seem to lack enough common sense to understand that attempting to tow something weighing more than 2 times the rated amount is a STUPID thing to do.

Do you think the engineers at these manufacturers throw darts at a board and wherever it lands is the capacity? It is rated based upon the ability of the vehicle. 500# over, sure you can probably get away with it, 1000# over, maybe, 2000# over, probably do some damage to the vehicle and possibly others....4000# + over? Are you really that dumb? Like others have said, if you do it, please advise when and where so someone can be there to video it as it will be hilarious (unless of course you hurt someone else).
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