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I have a 26 Mako WA, about 8000 pounds. This boat over matched my suburban, and it had to be repaired and is now only used for errands. The Tundra now does the work. I also had a custom rod rack made for the truck so they travel up there and no more tangles or broken tips:
You are completely out to lunch on this. No power??? What a joke. My Tundra will out pull ANYTHING in its class. Sounds to me like you have an axe to grind over somethng.
I think the only thing out to lunch is a Toy owner...'out pull anything in it's class?'
I admit, I've been thinking of buying a Toy so I can stuff one in my tool box for a spare, you know, when I get a flat or something..Pffft.
__________________ The Flying Wasp - Carolina Skiff 238 Semi-V
Wow I am surprised. I almost bought the 4.6. I test drove the 5.4 Ford and the 5.7 Chevy. I thought the 4.6 Toy had more power than the Ford and Chevy.
But the 5.7 Toy is amazing.
Just had to respond.Chevy has not put 5.7's in any trucks for about 8 years.4.8, 5.3 and 6.0's now they have added 6.2's.
Sorry about making correction, someone else beat me to it.
Just had to respond.Chevy has not put 5.7's in any trucks for about 8 years.4.8, 5.3 and 6.0's now they have added 6.2's.
Sorry about making correction, someone else beat me to it.
Must have been a 5.3 then. it was the first truck I drove and then decided I couldn't buy a govt motors vehicle. The Ford was very nice, excellent fit and finish.
The Tundra is made in the USA, most likely the GM, Ford or Dodge is made in Canada or Mexico.
I too bought a new pickup. A 2009 Ford F150 crew cab. Made in Dearborn, Mich. The other plant that makes them is in Kansas city. Designed, prototyped, tested, financed, and assembled in america. The engine was made in Romeo, Mich and the transmission made in Livonia, Mich. I am not here to bash, but as a retired Ford engine engineering supervisor, I am an unabashed supporter of american manufacturing and of course, Ford. The joy with which people bash american made vehicles is baffling. Manufacturing made this country what it is today, yet many people view buying Japanese products as some holy experience. Even those that the closed Japanese manufacturing society would only hire to clean toilets are having Japanese symbols tattooed on their necks. Curious. Of course americans are notoriously uniformed and chose to believe what they want to believe, no need to get the facts.
The Tundra is a good truck. (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder) So is my Ford. I am sorry, but what was the purpose for posting "just bought a Tundra"? I must have missed it.
Happy towing with the new truck.
I too bought a new pickup. A 2009 Ford F150 crew cab. Made in Dearborn, Mich. The other plant that makes them is in Kansas city. Designed, prototyped, tested, financed, and assembled in america. The engine was made in Romeo, Mich and the transmission made in Livonia, Mich. I am not here to bash, but as a retired Ford engine engineering supervisor, I am an unabashed supporter of american manufacturing and of course, Ford. The joy with which people bash american made vehicles is baffling. Manufacturing made this country what it is today, yet many people view buying Japanese products as some holy experience. Even those that the closed Japanese manufacturing society would only hire to clean toilets are having Japanese symbols tattooed on their necks. Curious. Of course americans are notoriously uniformed and chose to believe what they want to believe, no need to get the facts.
The Tundra is a good truck. (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder) So is my Ford. I am sorry, but what was the purpose for posting "just bought a Tundra"? I must have missed it.
Happy towing with the new truck.
Just an FYI, buying American, being American does not exist anymore, it has not for a long time, not only are cars and trucks made all over the world but all the companies mentioned are public companies, they belong to the stock holders whatever country they live in, not the country were they are incorporated.
The joy with which people bash american made vehicles is baffling. Even those that the closed Japanese manufacturing society would only hire to clean toilets are having Japanese symbols tattooed on their necks. Curious. Of course americans are notoriously uniformed and chose to believe what they want to believe, no need to get the facts.
I agree with what you said- here is an exchange from another thread here a while back:
Quote:
Quote: Originally Posted by ***
Buy whatever you want, BUT, the American vs Japan argument has lost all validity...the world is round ladies...
and my reply:
Quote:
Not to anyone familiar with Japanese manufacturing, or the Japanese business mentality in general. They do a good job of hide the peanut with people that don't know what's going on.
Let me elaborate on that:
I'm an engineer that is very familiar with the 'Japanese way'. If you happen to know it, and understand it, you'd be like me: actively avoid Japanese products.
To them business is war. They ignore patent laws. They actively collude together to destroy foreign competition in an industry before taking over. They only buy & use Japanese equipment no matter where the factory is located. The upper management is exclusively Japanese, except for the random token to show visitors. All the money goes back to Japan, and they provide just enough 'content' to American factories to say 'it's made in America' and insulate themselves from exchange rate fluctuations. They actively pick Japanese suppliers over American ones. You'd be amazed how many parts in a Tundra, or a Prius, take your pick, are shipped from Japan. Even the raw materials, like steel. They are totally national-centric to the core. To misunderstand that is to fundamentally misunderstand the Japanese. Everyone not Japanese is an outsider, not to be trusted with anything important. The Japanese are superior to Americans. It's a racial thing that is shocking to those who are exposed to it fully.
There are lots of books about this; it's worth educating yourself. I hate to crap on someone's thread, hey they are proud of their truck, and I wish them the best, I really do. But please, please understand the background behind your purchasing decision. Our manufacturing industry is under attack: both in Washington, and from foreign shores. Your purchasing decisions matter more than you know.
I'll move on, sorry to vent, and I'll get off the soapbox now.
__________________ The Flying Wasp - Carolina Skiff 238 Semi-V
"To them business is war. They ignore patent laws. They actively collude together to destroy foreign competition in an industry before taking over. They only buy & use Japanese equipment no matter where the factory is located. The upper management is exclusively Japanese, except for the random token to show visitors. All the money goes back to Japan, and they provide just enough 'content' to American factories to say 'it's made in America' and insulate themselves from exchange rate fluctuations. They actively pick Japanese suppliers over American ones. You'd be amazed how many parts in a Tundra, or a Prius, take your pick, are shipped from Japan. Even the raw materials, like steel. They are totally national-centric to the core. To misunderstand that is to fundamentally misunderstand the Japanese. Everyone not Japanese is an outsider, not to be trusted with anything important. The Japanese are superior to Americans. It's a racial thing that is shocking to those who are exposed to it fully.
There are lots of books about this; it's worth educating yourself. I hate to crap on someone's thread, hey they are proud of their truck, and I wish them the best, I really do. But please, please understand the background behind your purchasing decision. Our manufacturing industry is under attack: both in Washington, and from foreign shores. Your purchasing decisions matter more than you know."
Ok MacCTD,
any questions
how bout some of that grad school stuff you have been spewing.
Traded in my 2006 Tundra for 2010 with a 5.7. Dont do a lot of towing but just loved the power of the 5.7. I was wrestling with buying a Ford, I really liked the vehicle and the deals with Ford were really good. Ford has come a long way and is definintely a force to be reconed with. But in the end the Toyota just kept comming back to me.
Congratulations! I have a 2005 4.7 and was tempted when they came out with the 5.7. Decided to wait until they start selling the Tundra diesel in the States, however. And then with all that power I will probably have to get a bigger boat.......
I agree with what you said- here is an exchange from another thread here a while back:
and my reply:
Let me elaborate on that:
I'm an engineer that is very familiar with the 'Japanese way'. If you happen to know it, and understand it, you'd be like me: actively avoid Japanese products.
To them business is war. They ignore patent laws. They actively collude together to destroy foreign competition in an industry before taking over. They only buy & use Japanese equipment no matter where the factory is located. The upper management is exclusively Japanese, except for the random token to show visitors. All the money goes back to Japan, and they provide just enough 'content' to American factories to say 'it's made in America' and insulate themselves from exchange rate fluctuations. They actively pick Japanese suppliers over American ones. You'd be amazed how many parts in a Tundra, or a Prius, take your pick, are shipped from Japan. Even the raw materials, like steel. They are totally national-centric to the core. To misunderstand that is to fundamentally misunderstand the Japanese. Everyone not Japanese is an outsider, not to be trusted with anything important. The Japanese are superior to Americans. It's a racial thing that is shocking to those who are exposed to it fully.
There are lots of books about this; it's worth educating yourself. I hate to crap on someone's thread, hey they are proud of their truck, and I wish them the best, I really do. But please, please understand the background behind your purchasing decision. Our manufacturing industry is under attack: both in Washington, and from foreign shores. Your purchasing decisions matter more than you know.
I'll move on, sorry to vent, and I'll get off the soapbox now.
I have seen some this mentality in the business I am in and do not disagree that they favor their own suppliers. I for one think we should do that as well but that is another topic. The one thing that you do not mention here is that these companies will take nothing less than the very best. Zero defects. ZERO. I work for one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world and Japan is far and away the hardest country to get a product registered in. The extent of the testing is beyond reason in anyone else’s mind in the world. But once approved, they also have the highest quality product in the world being shipped there with only an infinitesimal probability that a tablet will have even a blemish on it, not to mention its physiological performance.
The fact is American car companies did not keep up, adjust, and have been left in the dust. They must change the way they do business.
Just do you know I stuck with American vehicles for a very long time. My 3 suburbans, most especially the 03 were horrible and self destructed towing my boat. The laundry list of catastrophic failures that I experienced are nothing short of embarrassing for GM. If not so, I'd still be buying them, why stop at 3?
Bravo to Ford for hanging tough and better managing the company. I suspect they will emerge from this downturn as the clear American titan of the auto world. Now GM gets to have O tell them what to do.
and yes the crewmax is hard to find right now...at least in New England. 
Chevy has not put 5.7's in any trucks for about 8 years.4.8, 5.3 and 6.0's now they have added 6.2's.
