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Old 03-27-2009, 02:52 PM
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Default Took an 07 Tundra for a spin today

19,700 miles,
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White, to match the bay boat
Excellent condition
just over $20,000.00

It was spur of the moment, driving by a dealer that had it out front, so we whipped in, talked for a bit then drove it.
Even though it had the 4.7 I thought it had a lot of power. It's been a long time since I drove the 5.7 at a demo at BPS. That was in the parking lot with 10,000 lb trailer attached. So it is no comparison.

Would rather have the 5.7 with all the post in the past threads on the subject. Only 1 MPG difference between the two.

Anyway, to start a base line, what do you think of the price?
Damn nice truck!
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I know the popular perception is that any vehicle American made is junk and poorly engineered. Clearly, a Toyota is better built, stronger, with better fuel mileage by far? Joking, but check this site out and do a side by side comparison.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
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Purchased a brand new 2009 Chevy 2500 4 door crew cab for 28K
You might consider looking at new right now...

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jtburf, that is a hell of deal on that truck. While I am a Toyota fan, no way I would rather have the current Tundra comparied to a 2500 HD.

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Just over $20k seems a bit high for a 2007 4.7L 2wd Double Cab Tundra. I paid $23,000 + tax, tag and title for my new, silver, 2009 Tundra, SR5, Double Cab, 2x4, 5.7L on January 8, 2009. That included the tow package, heated tow mirrors, fog lights and all weather mats. The sticker was $31k.

I had the 4.7L in my 2006 Tundra. Nice reliable engine, but the power of the 5.7 is down right intoxicating!

I agree...... damn nice truck either way!
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I thought the price was high also when thinking back to some of the info posted here a few months back. The salesman asked if I was interested in a new Dodge. It would be in the mid 20's with of course all the warranties and low financing. I'm not really a Dodge fan although all new vehicles are nice.

50 miles to work, one way, I need the best mileage possible. Guys at work have the F150 and bought a small car due to they only get 13 +/- MPG! Not so sure that was smart. I will take a long time to save enough gas money to off set the cost of another car.

Like I said it was spur of the moment. We are one year into a payments on a new vehicle for the little woman and don't really want to get into another payment unless it was a deal that should not be passed up.

The new F150's and the Chevy are suppose to get 21 mpg I've heard. Any truth to that? Need some power also.
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I thought the price was high also when thinking back to some of the info posted here a few months back. The salesman asked if I was interested in a new Dodge. It would be in the mid 20's with of course all the warranties and low financing. I'm not really a Dodge fan although all new vehicles are nice.

50 miles to work, one way, I need the best mileage possible. Guys at work have the F150 and bought a small car due to they only get 13 +/- MPG! Not so sure that was smart. I will take a long time to save enough gas money to off set the cost of another car.

Like I said it was spur of the moment. We are one year into a payments on a new vehicle for the little woman and don't really want to get into another payment unless it was a deal that should not be passed up.

The new F150's and the Chevy are suppose to get 21 mpg I've heard. Any truth to that? Need some power also.
I'll try again. This site has all the answers to your fuel economy questions. It's a government site so there is no manufacturer bias. F-150 21mpg, Dodge 1500 20mpg, Silverado 20mpg. All better than the Toyota or Nissan. Actually, the Dodge Ram is going to be the new Nissan Titan. You can also compare the cost of the E-85 scam against regular gas. And of course compare the carbon footprint. Altough they are nice and have come along way, the Japanese trucks still don't compare to the American trucks. But, they have done an excellent job marketing and have convinced the public that as long as it says Toyota it's built better and has superior fuel mileage no matter what kind of vehicle it is. Here's the link again, see for yourself http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
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jtburf, that is a hell of deal on that truck. While I am a Toyota fan, no way I would rather have the current Tundra comparied to a 2500 HD.

That is exactly why it and not a new Tundra is sitting in my drive,

Not bashing Toyo's but for less money I was able to get a bigger truck.

I looked hard at the Tundras and came close to pulling the trigger.

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I'll try again. Altough they are nice and have come along way, the Japanese trucks still don't compare to the American trucks.
The Tundra gets fewer miles per gallon, but it has much more horsepower than the 5.4L F-150.The only 1/2 ton with comparable horsepower and acceleration (towing or not) is the Dodge Ram with the Hemi. The towing capacity, payload, weight, height, width length, wheelbase, interior room, bed length, brake system, rear end are all comparable to 1/2 ton trucks produced by the USA big 3. How can you say they don't compare? You can say you prefer American trucks for personal reasons. Saying they don't compare doesn't make sense if you look at the numbers. All current model 1/2 ton trucks sold in the USA(Ford, Chevy, GMC, Dodge, Nissan and Toyota) offer pretty much the same level of performance, power and bulk. Each has its own strength, but they are all pretty comparable.
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I thought the price was high also when thinking back to some of the info posted here a few months back. The salesman asked if I was interested in a new Dodge. It would be in the mid 20's with of course all the warranties and low financing. I'm not really a Dodge fan although all new vehicles are nice.

50 miles to work, one way, I need the best mileage possible. Guys at work have the F150 and bought a small car due to they only get 13 +/- MPG! Not so sure that was smart. I will take a long time to save enough gas money to off set the cost of another car.

Like I said it was spur of the moment. We are one year into a payments on a new vehicle for the little woman and don't really want to get into another payment unless it was a deal that should not be passed up.

The new F150's and the Chevy are suppose to get 21 mpg I've heard. Any truth to that? Need some power also.

I went to the http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ site mentioned above. I noticed that they don't even list the 5.4L as an option for the Ford F-150 only the 4.6L. It lists one Ford F-150 as getting 21 mpg, but it doesn't mention exactly what model that it. Possibly the regular cab? The Ford F-150 website doesn't list any F-150 as getting 21 mpg.

Here are the numbers from the site above:
Tundra 5.7L (381 Horsepower): 14 mpg city, 18 mpg hwy, and 16 mpg combined.
Ford F-150 4.6L (292 Horsepower): 15 mpg city, 20 mpg hwy, and 17 mpg combined.
Chevy Silverado 5.3L (315 horsepower): 14 mpg city, 20 mpg hwy, and 16 mpg combined.
Dodge Ram 5.7L (390 horsepower): 14 mpg city, 20 mpg hwy, and 16 mpg combined.

The combined average mileage is probably the most realistic number for most drivers. In that case the 4.6L Ford only averages 1 mpg more than the rest. It produces nearly 100 LESS HORSEPOWER than the Ram or the Tundra. With gas around $2.00 per gallon, the average driver will realize about $110 a year in fuel savings by driving the 4.6L Ford F-150. You would probably save $220 per year driving 50 miles one way to work.

I've been averaging right at 16.25 mpg in mixed driving with my Tundra, so I guess the numbers above are pretty accurate.
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I'm sure you can get that Tundra new probably an 08 for what they're asking for that used truck. I bought a new 08 Tundra double cab 4X4 5.7 liter for 24,450 out the door. My dealer had used trucks on the lot for more than what they were asking for new ones! Factory incentives made the difference.

And...I drive a 1998 Honda Civic with 226,000 miles on it, 84 miles per day at 38mpg to work and back. I have had it just under four years and have under $5k in it and it's paid for itself more than 2x's by now. When it finally gives up I'll buy another used Honda.
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Thanks guys.
For work I had a 86 Toyota, reg cab, 4 speed manual with the 22R engine, no AC, no frills, bare bones. Can't remember how many miles but over 150,000. My son was driving it one day on I-95 when the radiator filler neck blew off, lost all the fluid and the engine went south. I thought I'd get another 100,000 out of it. But it was not to be.

Years ago, I bought a 96 Ford Chateau van, 5.8L. Use for a back up vehicle and towing, camping, seats 7, so vacationing etc. One of the most versatile vehicles I have owned. The seats are removed in minutes.

After a few months without a truck I found a 97 Nissan pick up 2wd, extra cab, 5 speed stick, 4 cylinder and a rack that let's me haul anything long that I could not haul without it. Bought it with 177,000 miles for $3,000.00. No rust, no body damage at all. I knew I would be taking a chance but it was what I was looking for. Worst case, put a new engine in for another $3,000 and I'd have a work truck in excellent condition for $6,000. It now has 265,000 miles, gets 23 mpg and I drive it every day. It has been and continues to be great.

Now that the Nissan and the Ford van have such high miles, when they bite the dust I am thinking about just one truck for work and towing the boat. It would be 95% + for work and 5% towing less than 20 miles to the ramp. Still thinking on it, if this would be smart or not.
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The Tundra gets fewer miles per gallon, but it has much more horsepower than the 5.4L F-150.The only 1/2 ton with comparable horsepower and acceleration (towing or not) is the Dodge Ram with the Hemi. The towing capacity, payload, weight, height, width length, wheelbase, interior room, bed length, brake system, rear end are all comparable to 1/2 ton trucks produced by the USA big 3. How can you say they don't compare? You can say you prefer American trucks for personal reasons. Saying they don't compare doesn't make sense if you look at the numbers. All current model 1/2 ton trucks sold in the USA(Ford, Chevy, GMC, Dodge, Nissan and Toyota) offer pretty much the same level of performance, power and bulk. Each has its own strength, but they are all pretty comparable.
As far as comparison, here's a place to start. The Tundra uses a C-frame (old and weak technology), The Dodge Ram uses a fully boxed, hydroformed frame. I've compared the two on a lift from underneath. The Dodge was much bulkier than the Toyota from the frame up. Although, the new Tundra is a great improvement over the previous one. It's all about personal preference and if you like the Toyota better, then buy one and enjoy it. My point was that the American made vehicles are worth a look too.
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Bought a new 2009 gmc 2500 crew cab 4x4 all the goodies 9900gvw this imo is the best heavyduty truck for the money paid 31000.the six speed is great boat and trailer weigh 9500 and the tranny can be shifted 3 different ways to the terrain. All I say is don't underestimate the american car builder.
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