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Old 11-25-2008, 04:33 PM
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Default WILL I NEED CLASS A LICENSE FOR 10,500 # TRAILER?

I'm purchasing a triple axle 10,500 # trailer for the Kencraft. Total weight for boat and trailer should be way under 10,500 pounds. Will I still need a class A license because of the trailer rating?

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Old 11-25-2008, 05:13 PM
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:28 PM
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I could be wrong, but I believe you are ok as long as your combined, truck and trailer, are under 26K. You only need a class A if you are combined over 26K AND the trailer is over 10K. But, like I said, I could be wrong.
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If the total weight is way under, why not go with a lower rated trailer? Mine is rated to carry 7200lbs with a total weight rating (trailer and load) of 9000lbs
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You are in an interesting area here and the answer is you probably do. It usually varies from state to state, so I looked at California and Hawaii's laws and they do require a class A to tow a trailer with a rating over 10,000 pounds, unless it is a fifth wheel travel trailer, in which case it can weigh up to 15,000 pounds. Your tow vehicle can be rated for up to 26,000 pounds. Yet, I don't need a special license for a 40,000 pound motorhome.

The real question is if there is any enforcement. I may take the opportunity to walk into motor vehicles and tell them I have a 10,500 pound boat and trailer combination and see if I can get a class "A to cover it.

To be safe, order the trailer with a GVWR of 9,999 pounds and there will be no issue.

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(1) Class A includes the following:

(A) A combination of vehicles, if a vehicle being towed has a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds.

(B) A vehicle towing more than one vehicle.

(C) A trailer bus.

(D) The operation of all vehicles under class B and class C.

(2) Class B includes the following:

(A) A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 26,000 pounds.

(B) A single vehicle with three or more axles, except any three-axle vehicle weighing less than 6,000 pounds.

(C) A bus except a trailer bus.

(D) A farm labor vehicle.

(E) A single vehicle with three or more axles or a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 26,000 pounds towing another vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or less.

(F) A house car over 40 feet in length, excluding safety devices and safety bumpers.

(G) The operation of all vehicles covered under class C.

(3) Class C includes the following:

(A) A two-axle vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or less, including when the vehicle is towing a trailer or semitrailer with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or less.

(B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), a two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing a trailer coach not exceeding 9,000 pounds gross.

(C) A house car of 40 feet in length or less.

(D) A three-axle vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds gross or less.

(E) A house car of 40 feet in length or less or vehicle towing another vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or less, including when a tow dolly is used. A person driving a vehicle may not tow another vehicle in violation of Section 21715.

(F) (i) A two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing either a trailer coach or a fifth-wheel travel trailer not exceeding 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating, when the towing of the trailer is not for compensation.

(ii) A two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing a fifth-wheel travel trailer exceeding 10,000 pounds, but not exceeding 15,000 pounds, gross vehicle weight rating, when the towing of the trailer is not for compensation, and if the person has passed a specialized written examination provided by the department relating to the knowledge of this code and other safety aspects governing the towing of recreational vehicles upon the highway.
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Kerno,

Took your advice and asked the factory to ship it with a 9,900 GVW rating stamped on it. Other potential problem is, I think my F-150 4 X 4 w/HD Tow Package is only rated to 8,000 pounds . Fortunately, for the most part I won't be towing far except on rare occaisions (like when weather, work or the wife permits ).

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Old 11-26-2008, 10:46 AM
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Shouldnt bother you much because you aren't commerical. We run GMC 4500's with western hauler bodies here. They drive us nuts because we are commercial. They are right, class a if over 26,000 lbs. However theres no way your over. Truck may weight 8,000lbs, trailer 3,000 lbs, boat 8,000 lbs. Thats only 19,000 you would be fine.

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You'll win the lottery before anyone ever asks to verify the tow rating of your vehicle against the trailer's rating.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:52 PM
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I have spoken with numerous DOT officers about this over the years. You would only need the CDL is you are indeed comercial. This can be driving for a company or even as a fisherman entering tournaments or a drag racer pulling his car to a track. Basically if you are getting paid or there is a chance of getting paid(even prizes) then you need the CDL if you are over the weight limit. And like Post50 said, until you hit the 26,001lb gross combined weight you dont need a CDL. You are however required to have EVERYTHING else which includes DOT physical, DOT numbers for the vehicle, log book, and all the required safety items(flares, triangles, etc). The cut in point is 10,500 combined weight and requires everything but the actual CDL.

Overall its just another racket to make more money if you ask me.

Kerno, I wish my luck was that good to win the lottery. I have not won it, but I have been checked several times to make sure my truck was registered with enough weight to pull my boat and to make sure the trucks tow rating was actually legal to pull the boat.
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I do have weighted tags and its registered for a gross weight of 9,000 lbs. Sooooo......guess I'll call the trailer guy and tell him to put a 9,000 lb label on the trailer. That should cover everything! Probably not worth the effort but you never know when you're going to get pulled.

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I do have weighted tags and its registered for a gross weight of 9,000 lbs. Sooooo......guess I'll call the trailer guy and tell him to put a 9,000 lb label on the trailer. That should cover everything! Probably not worth the effort but you never know when you're going to get pulled.

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The weighted tags need to include the weight of the ENTIRE rig. Truck, trailer and loads.
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I have spoken with numerous DOT officers about this over the years. You would only need the CDL is you are indeed comercial. This can be driving for a company or even as a fisherman entering tournaments or a drag racer pulling his car to a track. Basically if you are getting paid or there is a chance of getting paid(even prizes) then you need the CDL if you are over the weight limit. And like Post50 said, until you hit the 26,001lb gross combined weight you dont need a CDL. You are however required to have EVERYTHING else which includes DOT physical, DOT numbers for the vehicle, log book, and all the required safety items(flares, triangles, etc). The cut in point is 10,500 combined weight and requires everything but the actual CDL.


In NC there is a non-CDL class A license.

If the gross of the trailer is over 10K, you need the class A.
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Kerno,

Took your advice and asked the factory to ship it with a 9,900 GVW rating stamped on it. Other potential problem is, I think my F-150 4 X 4 w/HD Tow Package is only rated to 8,000 pounds . Fortunately, for the most part I won't be towing far except on rare occaisions (like when weather, work or the wife permits ).

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Make sure your receiver, hitch and ball are also rated for 8000k or more....
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A guy I know was letting a friend haul a boat with his commercial rig The guy got popped for not having a license. They gave him a bill of sale for the boat which the guy took to the hearing and stated he was hauling his own boat in a friends truck and they threw it out no fine. Most States not all allow you to drive and haul your own property not for hire without a special license. This why you see the PRIVATE COACH and NOT FOR HIRE on many vehicles. Also with many states the rule is if it is legal in your state it is legal in their state. This allows people to travel on vacation without fear of the law changing. A guy I knew years ago lived in IL and vacationed in eastern PA and always took his 5th wheel and truck it was a big 5th wheel and he got stopped several times always with a sorry to bother you and have a nice day. Till he moved there and found out he had to have a CDL to tow his trailer and that his trailer was illegal as it was 102" wide and state law limits to 96". So even though he had traveled there for years as a guest when he became a resident the rules changed he had to sell his trailer at a loss get a CDL 1500 dollar class maintain a DOT physical and because he chose to stick with the trailer he liked had to have them build him one 96" special for him.
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hblac - My NC Class A NON CDL states on the back " A combination of vehicles that is exempt form CDL requirements when the towed unit has a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more."
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Enforcement is not the problem as there is just about zero enforcement on this issue. Where you would be at risk is if you were involved in an accident and had some lawyer snooping around your trailer rating and vehicle weight looking for a patsy with deep pockets.
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From the NC DMV DL Handbook (emphasis added):

Class A: Required to operate any combination of vehicles exempt from commercial driver license (CDL) requirements with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is greater than 10,000 pounds. Also required for operating any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds, if the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds.

So the answer to your original question is "yes", you will need a Class A Regular (non-cdl) license if your trailer GVWR is over 10k. And your "weighted" tag will need to cover the actual weight of the tow vehicle and trailer. They will weigh it if you're stopped and they suspect you're overweight ...
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Before 9/1/2008, the answer was YES, but after 9/1/2008, the answer is NO.

Hal, check out NCGS 20-7(a)(3)(c) as amended by Session Law 2008-221 and effective 01SEP2008 (more commonly known here on THT as Senate Bill 1695):


http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/B...L/S1695v9.html

"(3) Class C. A Class C license authorizes the holder to drive any of the following:

c. A combination of noncommercial motor vehicles that have a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds but less than 26,001
pounds. This sub-subdivision does not apply to a Class C license holder less than 18 years of age."

Unfortunately the General Statutes that appear on the www.ncleg.net website have not been updated yet to reflect SL 2008-221 (S1695) or SL 2008-229 (H2167) but look at the session laws and their effective dates.

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I stand corrected ...
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I stand corrected ...

In your defense, the state of NC probably hasn't bothered to update any of the other publications yet either......had I not been following the actions of our General Assembly over the past 8-9 months, I would not have known that.......
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