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Old 12-29-2005, 05:58 PM
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Default 2004 2520 XL Trim Tabs

I'm planning on going up to a larger trim tab for my Parker. I have the stock tabs.

What do you suggest for the easiest most effecient tab upgrade?

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Old 12-30-2005, 09:58 AM
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Richard,

I have had quite a bit of experience with retrofitting lager Tabs on to Parker 25s. Both Reel-Rascals and Megabyte have 25’s and we increased the Tab size to 24” x 9” with really great results. Take a look at these links. The first one is a page at our website shoeing an installation on a 25. Note that since Dale did the installation he went to internal hydraulic lines so that there is no exposed tubing. This can be done easily in the in the initial installation. The other two are threads from The Hull Truth regarding Parker 25s and their ride and mention the improvements after installing larger Tabs. Look these over, then get back to me with any addition questions you may have and I will be delighted to help.

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http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/parker2520.htm

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Default Re: 2004 2520 XL Trim Tabs

Stupid question......... can just the tabs be replaced with the current equipment or does everything need to be replaced...... I'm going to do it either way......
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:35 AM
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Your boat likely has Lenco brand Trim Tabs on it. You should be able to purchase the Trim Tabs only from Lenco, or a Lenco dealer (I am not sure how they sell parts). The actuators will need to be repositioned on the transom so that they are in the middle of the tab.

Lenco’s website is www.lencomarine.com I cannot seem to find an e-mail address on their site so you will most likely have to call them.

I hope this helps.
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Default Re: 2004 2520 XL Trim Tabs

It helps!

Now for the million dollar question. Given the choice of staying with the electric Lenco system and putting on the larger tabs...... vs. switching out the complete system and going with the hydraulic Bennet........ what if any are the advantages........ lets eleminate the money factor.... assume I have a pile in the backyard......

Also, will my current Lenco wiring work or would the wiring all the way up to the switches need to be changed out?
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Richard,
Of course I work for Bennett and am biased. However do a search on the main forum (or other forums such as Floridasportsman) or even post the question on The Hull Truth main forum for some unbiased opinions.
You would have to replace the wiring and control switch.
Simply put Bennett Trim Tabs will last far longer then Lenco. Since the system is designed to be serviced a failure is often fixed by us sending a small part at little or no cost. If a Lenco actuator fails it will need to be replaced ($). Lenco systems used on boats that are kept in the water have a much shorter life span then Bennett. Our warranty policy is far from strict, since I am the director of client services for Bennett I can tell you that our mission is to treat the owners of or products the way we would like to be treated. That is why you will routinely fixing a ten or fifteen year old system at no cost. The result of our system design and warranty philosophy means that the cost of ownership on our system is far less then the Lenco.
Below is a comparison of our two products.
Let me know what questions you might have.

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Trim Tab Systems
Hydraulic Vs Electromechanical
There are two major types of Trim Tab systems on the market, hydraulic and electromechanical. Both systems have been around for many years. In fact in the '60s Bennett Marine manufactured an electromechanical system later changing to the hydraulic system due to its many advantages.

Lenco is currently the most recognized electromechanical system. While both types of systems are designed to accomplish the same basic purpose there are significant differences in both performance and durability. Lenco likes to claim that they are the newest Tabs and are State of the Art. They have infact been around since the '70s. Here is a flyer from 1974.


Durability

Electromechanical: By placing the electric motor and gear system out side the boat the Electromechanical system is a slightly easier system to install. However the time saved during installation is offset the poor reliability resulting from placing the electric components under water. Electromechanical actuators rely on shaft O-rings to maintain the watertight integrity of the system. Any fouling of the piston shaft by marine growth, sand or grit will result in a cut O-ring and total failure of the system. Relying on shaft O-rings compounded by the fact that as the shaft of the electromechanical actuator extended it creates a vacuum in the actuator. When a vacuum is pulled underwater the result is water being sucked into the actuator. The design of the system limits Lenco to offering a three year warranty on the actuators. It is interesting to note that Lenco's warranty has historically been 3 years, but it was dropped to 1 year when a new owner purchased the company. Under pressure competing with Bennett, Lenco was forced to revert to offering a 3 year warranty. Now Lenco will not honor the warranty on the trim tabs if they fail due to being left in an extended position. Lenco's warranty is also not transferable.


Hydraulic: The Bennett Hydraulic Power Unit (HPU) is housed inside the boat. While it takes a few minutes longer to install the result is years of trouble free service. Bennett hydraulic actuators do not rely on a seal where the shaft enters the cylinder body. Instead the seal is made on the piston face inside the cylinder where no marine growth can occur, protected from contamination. The evidence of this attention to design is a 5-year warranty. Bennett will warranty Tabs left in any position, and our warranty is fully transferable.


Accuracy and Control

Electromechanical: The design of the Lenco system's free wheeling ball screw results in considerable lag time from the time you take your finger off the control until the Trim Tab stops moving. This”Actuator Overrun" means that even momentary presses of the switch will result in the Trim Tabs running too far down or too far up. This overrun creates unpredictable and erratic control of the Trim Tabs. Lenco added a control box a few years ago to stop this overrun. Now Lenco Trim Tabs are just as precise as hydraulic Tabs if you use their control box. Interestingly Lenco claimed to be more precise for years when they were nowhere near any hydraulic system!

Hydraulic: The Bennett hydraulic system is capable of making the small precise adjustments needed for smooth safe control of the Trim Tabs. Hydraulic systems start and stop instantaneously. There is no lag time. The result is reliable control at all times. In applications where precise and reliable control are important hydraulic systems are the only choice. It is no accident that racing power boats use hydraulic Trim Tab systems. High performance aircraft such as fighters rely on the swift and failsafe control that only a hydraulic systems can provide.
Lenco claims to be far more responsive then hydraulics, a completely unfounded claim!

Speed of Operation

Electromechanical: One of the major selling points of Lenco's system is that "Electric actuators are incredibly fast and responsive. . . "

Hydraulic: The speed at which a Trim Tab moves is key element the ability to effectively and safely control the boat's running attitude. Fast moving Trim Tabs are not a desirable feature for exact control, particularly at high speeds. But of course Trim Tabs that move too slowly would not be a good idea. Actually comparing the speed of travel of the two system yields surprising results. The Lenco system is only marginally faster than the Bennett system. It is important to note that the Lenco system has 3/8" less travel than the Bennett. This shorter travel accounts for the majority of the speed difference. The speed of travel advantage claimed by Lenco is irrelevant when it comes to providing proper control of the boat.

Safety

Electromechanical: When an electromechanical system fails the actuator will lock the Trim Tab in place. If the Trim Tab is in the deflected position when a failure occurs the only way to retract it is to haul the boat out of the water and replace the actuator. This can result in a potential dangerous situation. With one or both Trim Tabs locked in a deflected position the boat can not be run safely in a following sea or at higher speeds. This can spell disaster if a boat is 20 miles offshore and has to run home in a following sea or run an inlet. In their manual Lenco suggests that you pull the pin that connects the actuator to the trim tab so you can run safely. I cannot imagine leaning over the transom in any kind of waves to do this.

Hydraulic: A failure in the Bennett system does not result in locked up Trim Tabs. Simply removing pressure from the system results in the Trim Tabs retracting to the full up position. With the Trim tabs in the full up position the boat may be safely run at high speed and in following seas.

Additionally since the hydraulic power unit is located inside the the boat repairs may be made without the expense and downtime involved in hauling the boat.

Exposed Wiring

Electromechanical: Lenco's electrical wires are exposed outside the boat where they may be damaged. The wires from each actuator pass through a hole in the upper hinge and through the transom with no positive seal or strain relief. Lenco's instructions call for holding the wire in place with sealant. Without strain relief any movement of the wire will break the seal resulting in a leak as well as water intrusion into the core of the transom.


Hydraulic: The Bennett hydraulic actuator connections are made inside the boat with the mounting portion of the actuator providing a positive seal and strain relief. When properly installed this design eliminates the risk of leaks and water intrusion into the transom core.



Trim Tab Design

Electromechanical: Lenco's advertising claims that the Trim Planes are "12 Gauge stainless steel planes and hinges." Actually most of their trim tabs do not have 12 gauge hinges, rather they are much lighter gauge piano hinges welded on to the Trim Planes. Welding stainless steel alters the properties of the metal making it more susceptible to corrosion. The pin used in a piano hinge is also prone to corrosion. Additionally piano hinges allow water to squirt through the hinge creating mist behind the boat.

Hydraulic: Bennett utilizes an exclusive interlocking hinge that is not welded, does not have a pin to corrode, and does not allow water to pass through. This type of hinge is much stronger and more durable than a welded piano hinge.


Lenco: Lenco Trim Tabs have the inboard and outboard edges of the Trim Tabs bent upwards at a shallow angle. This upward bend does not significantly contribute to the stiffness of the Trim Tab. Bending the edge of the Trim Tab up at a shallow angle creates low pressure along the edges of the Trim Tab. These areas of low pressure cause much more water to be lost out of the sides of the Trim Tabs compared to "flat" Trim Tabs.



Bennett: Bennett Trim Tabs carry a flat surface out to the edge of the Trim Tabs. This maintains the highest pressure across the surface of the Trim Tab for maximum lift. On some Trim Tabs Bennett turns the sides up 90 degrees to increase the stiffness of the Tab. Only when you put a 90 degree fold in the Trim Tab will you significantly increase its stiffness. On some other Trim Tabs Bennett folds the edges down 90 degrees to capture water that would normally be lost out the sides of the Trim tabs and channel it aft to produce additional lift.

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Thanks for all the help Tabman......

If you would....... send me a PM on price for a complete Bennet system for my Parker.

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Default Re: 2004 2520 XL Trim Tabs

Last I looked, doesn't the Parker XL have a funky recess / pocket for the tabs? I looked at an '05 XL last year and noticed this. I remember thinking that you cannot add larger (wider) tabs due to the limitation of the pocket in the hull.
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John_Madison CT - 1/2/2006 8:31 PM Last I looked, doesn't the Parker XL have a funky recess / pocket for the tabs? I looked at an '05 XL last year and noticed this. I remember thinking that you cannot add larger (wider) tabs due to the limitation of the pocket in the hull.


Correct....... that's the way it looks to me..... a wider tab would have to be transom mounted.
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Old 01-03-2006, 08:52 AM
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That is correct, and one of the main reasons pocket mounted Tabs have to be correct from the begining. On older models it was tranosm mounted. The new on will have to go on the transom, and any openings on the bottom faired out if possible.

Richard,

We do not sell directly to consumers, it would be unfair to all of our dealers who support us in the field. Check with the vendors here at the forum, on the internet, and with your favorite dealers for the best deal. I will give all the help I can, but have to depend on you to shop for it.

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