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The accurate twin drag has a drag disk and plate on each side of the spool. As a patent workaround the avet t-rx used 2 plates and four drag disks. This is a configuration that though it works in a similar fashion was not covered in the accurate patent and so it is legal. The twin drag avets from what I understand have two washers and a plate on a single side of the reel similar to the tiagra 16 and 130 and thus not covered by the accurate patent. I hope that clarifies the differences.
The accurate twin drag has a drag disk and plate on each side of the spool. As a patent workaround the avet t-rx used 2 plates and four drag disks. This is a configuration that though it works in a similar fashion was not covered in the accurate patent and so it is legal. The twin drag avets from what I understand have two washers and a plate on a single side of the reel similar to the tiagra 16 and 130 and thus not covered by the accurate patent. I hope that clarifies the differences.
Jedi thanks. So is each of the drag plates in the AVET on each side of the reel? Have you used both reels and is the AVET as smooth as the Accurate?
I spoke with an accurate rep not long ago. methinks that there is actual or threatened litigation against avet for patent infringement. we will see. may have been filed in the southern or central district court of Calif, so the court docket would show it.
the accurate patent claims could be broad enough to encompass the avet drag system. It is pure speculation to opine on the avet system supposedly being free from infringing accurate's patent(s) unless you are a patent attorney that has actually looked at the accurate patent and the patent file history, and determined if the avet system is covered by accurate's patent claims.
Never was there an area so prone to rampant speculation as that of patents.
There are a number of patents covering both single-sided drags and twin drags. Been reading them for years. Avoiding getting into details, thoughts surrounding the rights of patent holders claims are often exaggerated, and litigation is usually the very last recourse instead of the first. Patents are bought, sold, licensed, disused and expired with regularity.
I think Accurate's main concern is with Avet period, not the drag system. Many Accurate users have already made the change to Avet and drag is never mentioned. $$$ still talks or most for the $$$ I should say. Just my 2-1/2 cents (inflation you know) Capt. Ron
I was looking at an Accurate H665 reel, but would really like a two speed reel. So I started looking at the AVET. Would you consider an EX4/0 comparable to the H665 for bottom and rig fishing? I also thought about waiting for the 30 Pro or whatever the model will be called...
Those reels pull between 30 and 35 lbs of drag bottomed out so they have plenty of gusto for moderate bottom fishing but the advantage is with the avet you can drop it into low gear and just haul that big grouper or AJ away from the rig. Probably a better comparison to the avet in the accurate line is the ATD 30, though this beast can pull almost 70 lbs of drag pinned down. The only drawback to the 30 is you can have 3 or 4 avet 4/0s for the price. If you want that capability but at an intermediate price point the avet 30 T-rx is due out soon. Don't know the price point yet but probably less than the accurate seeing as the t-rx 50 is between 900 and 1000. Personally, I have some two speeds but I have an accurate converted penn 6/0 for bottom fishing. With the accurate frame and a tiburon t-bar handle this think cranks the big bottom dwellers up no problem. If I were to replace this I would go with a t-rx 30 but I see no reason in the near future.
I have both reels, the avet is alot bigger and heavier than the 665. Comparing these reels to each other is like comparing apples to oranges. The accurate 12 is more compareable to the avet ex 4/0. If you can spend the money go with the accurate 12, I own 2 of them and they are awesome reels. I have caught just about everything that swims with my 12's.
I have both reels, the avet is alot bigger and heavier than the 665. Comparing these reels to each other is like comparing apples to oranges. The accurate 12 is more compareable to the avet ex 4/0. If you can spend the money go with the accurate 12, I own 2 of them and they are awesome reels. I have caught just about everything that swims with my 12's.
Jeff,
Thanks for the note. I don't have the money to upgrade to the Accurate 12, it's about $1,000 if I remember right. Does the 1/3 priced EX4/02 compare favorably with this reel?
I have both reels, the avet is alot bigger and heavier than the 665. Comparing these reels to each other is like comparing apples to oranges. The accurate 12 is more compareable to the avet ex 4/0. If you can spend the money go with the accurate 12, I own 2 of them and they are awesome reels. I have caught just about everything that swims with my 12's.
Jeff,
Thanks for the note. I don't have the money to upgrade to the Accurate 12, it's about $1,000 if I remember right. Does the 1/3 priced EX4/02 compare favorably with this reel?
I have 4 Accurate Boss 665-HXM's (6:1 ratio) and 2 Avet LX's (6:1). These reels are comparable models. I like the Accurate's better, and I think the price difference (~$150 I think) between these two models is likely justified. Nothing wrong with the Avet's, so my opinion may simply be personal preference. I've owned the Accurate's longer, and may simply be more accustomed to them. It seems easy to accidentally turn off the clicker on the Avet's. And the Accurate's seem like they may hold up longer. I can't speak intelligently about the design of these reels, but there is a noticeable perceived difference when using them. The Avet is prettier, and will likely freespool better (if that's important to you), but the Accurate feels more rugged. The Avet feels more precise. For my needs (trolling), I like the perceived ruggedness of the Accurate. No problems with the drag on either reel, but the Accurate certainly has more drag capability of the two mentioned models. If you're not using braid, I'm not sure that the extra drag capability of the Accurate is advantageous, since mono larger than 30# would likely not be used on these two models. I purchased the Avet's because I needed a couple of more reels at the time, and the price was attractive.
Earlier this year, I purchased 2 Accurate ATD-12's. Quite simply, I love 'em, and I'm considering selling the other Accurate's and Avet's to purchase more of the ATD-12's. On this reel, the two retrieve ratio's are 5:1 and 2:1. Thus, I give up little high-gear speed when a fast pelagic (like wahoo) runs towards the boat (in comparison to the 6:1 reels I've been using), but have the low-gear capability to gain cranking power when needed. The 12's will hold ~500 yards of Jinkai 50# line, which is usually sufficient for my needs, and they're not too heavy (~42 oz). The $1k price tag is indeed steep though. Fortunately, I purchased my two used for $500 each.
I have no experience with the larger Avet models, and I don't bottom fish, so my opinions might not apply to this particular discussion...
The 4/02 is one of the best reels for the money right now. If the accurate is out of the picture then this would be the reel to go with. Used ATD12s in good shape have been going for 650-750 if you are absolutely sold on getting one of those. Can one reel do anything the other can't: probably not.
i've been watching this thread, trying to figure out if i had anything to contribute. i was thinking of commenting on spool capacity, drag settings based on line weight, freespool time, drag smoothness or handle comfort. all of that has been discussed before. i was thinking back on how many of these reels i've worked on. maybe a handful of avets, just to see if i could actually upgrade the drag range. the answer was no, but then avet themselves came out with a kit to increase the drag range and the issue was rendered moot. and only one accurate. the clicker wore out. a guy needed the reel next week, so i ground down a clicker by hand and installed it. otherwise, i haven't worked on any other avets or accurates, because i haven't had to!!!!!!!
mind you, i'm not saying these reels are perfect, or that you will never have a problem. i'm just relating my lack of experience with them. i have another dozen penns and another dozen shimanos on the bench right now. there are no avets or accurates, anywhere within sight. i think this is a good thing!
did i mention that i really enjoy this board?
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As mentioned earlier, I have both reels. Both reels have seen big fish and haven't had a problem with either one yet. If you don't want to spend the extra cash for an accurate go with the avet, I think you will be happy with it.
Avet Drag v. Accurate Drag
