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Old 09-07-2006, 05:34 PM
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Default Leader size for trolling dolphin, tuna, etc?

Just getting back into offshore in the mid atlantic area and wondering what size leaders to rig with. Thinking 200 for the larger lures and 125 for the smaller dolphin sized lures?

Also few other questions:

What hook sizes are recommended? and circle, long or short shank?

What length leader do you use? say 6-8' attached termintaing in crimped offshore loop attached to snap swivel on main line?

Trying to keep it simple for now.

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The problem with that short of leader to the main line is if a fish gets tail wraped or its a billfish it will be chafing on your main line which wont last long.A better way to go is a short double line with a 25ft wind on leader(200-250lb) than a snap.After that rig your lures with a 5ft leader(150-400lb what evers appropriate for the lure).There are two big advantages to this it lets you crank the fish wright to the boat,and it lets you rig your lures cheaper with short leaders.
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Default RE: Leader size for trolling dolphin, tuna, etc?

5 to 6 ft of 60-80 lb fc is fine for phins, crimped hooks and forward loop, 7/0 j hooks.....I don't hunt tuna so others can give you some advice on those leader systems
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:18 PM
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Thanks, what wind on "system" would you recommend? Is there any type that doesn't require the dacron and theading the mono into it?
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Default Re: Leader size for trolling dolphin, tuna, etc?

I don't disagree with the wind-on philosphy but I would not want a snap swivel 4 ft in front of my lure. For wind-ons, I like to use the small sampo swivels crimped to the main line then 25-30ft of 100-130 pound leader to my ballyhoo rig if I'm trying to be stealthy. If not, I use two arm lengths for my standard leader. 130-150 pound test for most if not all of my ballyhoo or plastics. I will rig some lures with 250 pound for running large Ilanders with horse hoos for a shot at a Marlin or a big Bluefin.

I would not rig anything with 60-80 while trolling off VA. We usually have a mixed bag and you don't know when you'll get a nice tuna or wahoo on...last weekend, we were picking 40-55 pound tunas along with 5-10 pound mahi so I'm glad you we had the heavier leader (130-150 pound). And of course, Blue Marlin are around and will hit when you least expect it...

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I fish out of virginia beach. Would you mind tellnig me where you picked up the tuna? My boat is a bit of a stretch to go more than about 45 miles, but a buddy is bringing his Egg down next weekend and we'd like to try and get offshore. I understand that the bite has been a bit slow lately and that this is somewhat normal for August. I also understand that the yellofin will be heading back through here soon. True?? (mostly inshore / nearshore guy)
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No problem...I fished the 30 fathom lumps/bumps SW of the Norfolk Canyon. About 50-55 miles from Cape Henry. We went last Sunday (following the storm) and it was not a hot and heavy bite but we had 5 legit tuna bites (hooked 4, landed 2 around 45-55 pounds), pulled off a huge dolphin, caught 8 smaller dolphin and 5 fales albacore. Most boats near us had about the same number of bites...and most fish were 40-65 pounds.

There is a big eddy near the south wall of the Norfolk and we're trying to make it out there tomorrow in my friend's boat...they are blistering them to the north off of Ocean City in the same eddy.

Fall run is usually 30-100 fathoms so 50-60 miles from Rudee inlet.

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The middle 30 fathom bump (#15) was the general area...

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Thanks Glen.

We are planning a trip or two for late next week if the weather allows.
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cool...we pounded them yesterday just south of the canyon wall. 100 fathoms. 9 big YFT, 1 longfin, 10 nice dolphin and 2 wahoos. GO GET EM!

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I don't disagree with the wind-on philosphy but I would not want a snap swivel 4 ft in front of my lure. For wind-ons, I like to use the small sampo swivels crimped to the main line then 25-30ft of 100-130 pound leader to my ballyhoo rig if I'm trying to be stealthy. If not, I use two arm lengths for my standard leader. 130-150 pound test for most if not all of my ballyhoo or plastics. I will rig some lures with 250 pound for running large Ilanders with horse hoos for a shot at a Marlin or a big Bluefin.

I would not rig anything with 60-80 while trolling off VA. We usually have a mixed bag and you don't know when you'll get a nice tuna or wahoo on...last weekend, we were picking 40-55 pound tunas along with 5-10 pound mahi so I'm glad you we had the heavier leader (130-150 pound). And of course, Blue Marlin are around and will hit when you least expect it...

Good luck!

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We were just talking about stealth. I'm not so sure that tuna care! I've seen 'em hit on rediculous rigs with honkin' big ugly rigs that I'd never ever think they'd hit. I know some fish follow and check out their prey, but maybe not tuna so much? Heck, look at what the long liners throw in the water! Put some 1/4" braided line on and yank 'em out of the sea! (just stirrin' the pot)
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Default Re: Leader size for trolling dolphin, tuna, etc?

I hear ya...we hooked plenty on Saturday on 200 pound leader but also had 130 pound fluro on some rigs...everything was getting hit. When it's hot (like in the fall), I think you CAN go heavier and I will be...but in the summer when the water is very blue, hot and clear, you need to drop lines way back (usually) which means all of the leader is in the water so stealth is key. Saturday, we ran everything very short so again, not much leader was in the water.

I'm with ya!!

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