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Old 03-09-2006, 08:50 PM
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here is a final edition penn 30s international, straight out of the box via riverside marine. i've had quite a few of these come through in the last several months. popular reel, very tough. here's a link to the schematics....

http://www.scottsbt.com/catalog/stor...4&ClearCache=1

and here's the reel....



to rebuild these reel, you don't need much in the way of tools or supplies.



the first thing you need to do is shoot a bead of grease into every screw hole. we'll start by removing the quadrant (key #2) and screws (key #'s 31, 32 and 38b).



don't lose the two spacing bushings (key #157).



now you have access to all of the right side plate screws (key #'s 31a and 38a).





this part is really nutz! some of the screws are greased....



and some of them are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so figure this. if these screws seize up, you will not be able to get the reel apart. let's put the right side plate back together again and open up the left side plate. all the left side plate screws (key #31A).



off comes the left side plate.



out comes the spool.



out comes the spool shaft and bellevilles in a "()()" orientation.



pull off the reel stand and grease everything.











grease the clamp screws (key #34).



and clean it all up.



now we're going to open up the left side of the spool. back out the four drag cover screws (key #123). careful, it's spring loaded.



find the drag cover (key #156), four screws (key #123), the drag washer (key #117), the bearing spring (key #41). the bearing (key #20) and bearing sleeve (no key #).



just for comparison, here is a dry old style penn ht-100 drag washer on the left, and the new dura drag from this reel. the weave is clearly different....



and the new dura drag washer has "dura gel" on it. in this case, there might be a little too much "dura gel" in some places....



and not enough "dura gel" in others.... i know it's hard to see, but in the photo below, the inside half of the drag is coated, and the outside half was missed! this half of the drag washer might now be suseptible to corrosion after salt water intrusion.



some of the right side bearings just pop out. others (like this one), have a bearing retaining ring (no key #) held in by the ratchet (key #81). don't try to just pound out the bearing without knowing which one you have first!



let's pull the right spool bearing. first remove the ratched (key #81) and screws (key #101).



and the retaining ring (no key #) and bearing (key # 20) will pop right out.



now, for the spool bearings....



these bearings have pressed in shields. i'm going to pry out the shields with the point of a small pen knife.



ok, now we have open bearings. here's the grease. it's very uneven. if salt water gets into these bearings, they will rust. no doubt about it. these bearing will be toast.





we'll clean out the old grease. now you have to decide. what will it be? your choices are corrosion x (sorry, in a reel x bottle), alan's secret sauce, shimano bearing grease, or yamaha engine grease.



if you want to use heavy grease, this is the way it has to be packed in.



my choice is to clean out the old grease and lube the bearing with corrosion x. let's just hope that the corrosion x people are correct about the quality of their product.



let's grease some screw holes and reinstall the right side plate bearing.



the bearing sleeve and left spool bearing go in through the other side.



here is the spool shaft (key #13), the bellevilles (key #18) and thrust washers (no key #).



we're going to change the orientation of the belleville's from "()()"....



to "(())" with a thrust washer.





and into the spool it goes.



now for the drag washer. clean off any junk on the washer.



apply a thick coat of shimano drag grease to the the drag washer, paying particular attention to the edges where salt water might intrude.





now wipe down the drag washer, taking off ALL of the excess grease until it looks the same as a dry washer.





grease the screw holes for the the drag cover screws.



i hope your thumb muscles are in shape. you need to press down on the drag washer and screw in the drag cover screws.





install the spool and make sure the gears mesh properly.



grease the frame screw holes.





the long screw goes in at the 12 o'clock position.



the left side plate goes back on and you're done.



when i went to put the reel back in the box, i saw something that gave me a good chuckle.



when i started, this reel had three seconds of freespool. i don't know what the maximum drag at strike was (before losing freespool) because the reel had no line on it, but at that strike setting, the reel had only three seconds. i don't mean to harsh, well, who am i kidding, yes i do mean to be harsh. this reel didn't spin worth beans straight out of the box. now i have 20 seconds of freespool.



and some of you need freespool, and some of you do not. now, the drag washer would have been fine regardless. no problem there. the drag range alone would take two minutes to change. or change back. no problem here either. greasing the screw holes is a little picky, unless you're the guy trying to work on a reel that has seized up side plate screws. maybe by opening up the bearings, we decrease the likelyhood that water intrusion would make these bearings rust. maybe not.

and if you have an old 30 international with bad freespool or sticky drags, now you know how to fix it!


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Old 03-09-2006, 08:53 PM
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you are a reel pro i want to send my reels out to you your awsome at it great job!!
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Default RE: penn 30s international II rebuild

Alan, any problem with the screws backing out when you use grease? I usually drop in a couple of drips of corrosion-x, but if the grease works better, I'll give it a go.

Any hints on the secret sauce?

I usually mix corrosion-x with grease (I use OMC, but thats what's laying around )
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best...post....ever.

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as usual, nice post Alan.

how about a Tiagra break down?
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That is great sir....

I too would like to know about the Tiagra...

Also the Titus Gold Okuma....
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:09 AM
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thanks, guys. i haven't had a problem with screws backing out. i cinch them down pretty good!

undaunted, the tiagra is very similar to the tld's. a friend is sending me a tiagra 16 to go through. i'll take some photos.
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Old 03-10-2006, 03:08 AM
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Hi Alan,

great posts!

Do you ever get into the gears on the 2-speeds, tear them down, clean and re-grease?

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Old 03-10-2006, 10:39 AM
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Thanks a lot, Alan. Great post.

I'd love to see you do one of the new Penn 50VSW reels...I want to grease my drag washer but I'm skeered to take it apart that far!
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Old 03-10-2006, 12:19 PM
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Great great thread.

What is the difference between the International II vs the International? Does the procedure above apply exactly?
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:19 PM
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phil, i've opened up the two speed gear cluster before just to check it out. you can generally service the entire unit just by giving it a shot of corrosion x from an aerosol can. you often have to remove it to get to the right main side plate bearing. there are a couple of small ball bearings that can get away from you if you're not careful. they're a pain in the butt. avoid it if you can!

fishie1, i THINK the only difference is the bearing sleeve and the machined drag pressure plate. either way, the older style internationals are very easy reels to work on. i've been getting alot of these lately, so i'll shoot photos of the next one and post it.

sorry, captain crunch, i goofed! i just had a 50 vsw, had to rush to get it back to the owner and didn't take the time to shoot any pictures. it's basically the same. all you need is the special wrench to remove the spool cap. there is also a small spring loaded retaining pin in the spool cap that has to be lifted up and turned clockwise first, then you can crank off the spool cap. that's really the only difference.
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Dude!! Wait, wait,,, DUUUUUDEEEE!!!!

GREAT POST!! NICE JOB!!!


Two questions:
1. Do you do this for $? Or just for yourself and friends..? And if you do do it for $, how much for a 30sw and where do I send em?

2. What is going on in this picture? Is that a greese gun?

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birdman, thanks. it's a grease gun. the needle is actually the air filler needle used for basketballs. i took a dremmel and cut off the tip. the brass fitting was something i found in a box of parts from the el cheapo air compressor that i bought. i have another one using brass compression fittings. also, you've got mail.

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Alan

Again another great post. Question would the tear down of an old Penn 50 be simular to the 30?.

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it would be exactly the same!
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Alan,

Great post. I think I am going to do this to 3-30's and 3-50's I pciked up this year. One question, the pressed bearing shield that you pried off, did you replace it before reassembling? Also, would you reccomend repalcing the the washers () () with the beefier ones that came with the reels, or should I just re-orient them the way you have don (())l with a thrust washer. The thrust washer, is it anything special, or can I pick up a stainless one from boatersworld?

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this is a tough one. i personally leave the bearings open. here's the problem. shields keep stuff out. this is good. but if ALOT of water gets in, the shields hold water inside the bearing and it will fail for sure. i've had to replace hundreds of shielded bearings. never had to replace an open bearing.

it's hard, because bearings are not forever. someday this may change. when i was doing reel work 5 years ago, i thought i was pretty smart. my how things have changed.

if a couple of turns of the preset knob can take up the slack, you will not need the thrust washer at all. that will vary from reel to reel. as for the bellevilles, simply use the ones that give you the range you need. less range equals finer adjustment. more range equals coarser adjustment. there are always trade offs. thanks! alan
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You are a real pro. Thanks for taking the time.
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:52 PM
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Does anyone know how much drag you can get out of these reels and still have freespool if you use the "upgrade" bellevilles and clean the bearings, lube them with Corrosion X, etc.? Thanks!
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there was no line on this one, so i had no way of knowing. 30 to 35 pounds would not be unreasonable. it's really more then you'd ever need.

ok, so next question. if you're never going to need that much drag, why go through the trouble? fair question. there are a couple of answers. first, you need to make sure all the screw holes are well greased, otherwise getting it apart later could be tough. second, that drag washer needs to be well protected. if salt water gets under the carbon fiber material, the aluminum plate underneath could bubble and the high spots will cause sticking. third, the bearings are expensive and have to be protected somehow. bearing failures are well known. that means that the current level of bearing protection in your reel might not be good enough. fourth, as the reel breaks in and parts start to fatigue or stick, you will lose drag range. if you start with a higher range to begin with, losing a little will be less of a problem.

i think the main reason is to get to know you gear a little better. hey, equipment failures happen. it's a fact of life. although not as critical, i look at it as almost the same as being able to field strip an m-16.
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