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Old 01-23-2003, 08:00 PM
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I'm going to be codfishing with jigs for the first time in a few weeks. I have caught many cod on clam from an anchored or drifting boat. I need some help on learning to successfully underhand cast a 17oz jig. Any web sites? books?
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Old 01-23-2003, 08:43 PM
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Where are you fishing from? Here in New England we mostly fish a lead jig with a worm tied above (rubber bait) or two weighted worms and just jig it up and down, straight up and down and hook the cods like that. It is very similar to fishing with clams but you actually jig high up then all the way to the bottom... you dont wait to feel a nibble- they are on the hook or they arent. Keep jiggin'
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Gee, if you can get out your pretty lucky. It seems I keep having to cancel cod fishing charters due to this frigid and blowing weather. First of all really consider going out this time of year before anything else. There are several threads on this site which discuss safety gear. I don't know how large your boat is but right now a small boat is not what I would go out in until we have less than 10 knots of wind and calm seas. I have a 31' Eastern and like I said been cancelling many trips.

Casting for cod, you will see some of the regulars do it who are on a party boat, usually from the bow or stern using an underhand technique which requires a little practice to get use to. It can also be dangrous because if your line knots up on the spool kiss your jig goodbye. I like using 21 oz jigs this time of year and at times go heavier or lighter depending on the conditions. Today ther are many types on the marken from the standard Norweigan jig to crippled herring, pipe jigs, etc. They all seem to work to some degree. Teasers are important, using either a fly, rubber grub or a piece of tubing about 18" above the jig. If you are going on a party boat, just walk around and watch the guy who seems to be catching most of the fish and ask the mates for advice. They won't laugh at you and be able to teach you a thing or two as they are out there all the time. Remember, when they fillet your catch to tip them for your hard work as us Captains don't pay them a hell of a lot and most of the $$ earned are through the tips.

Good luck and if you have any questions, contact me through my website at www.nauticaladventure.net

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Throwing a 17 0z jig is not difficult once you get the feel for your tackle. However I recommend your try practicing a bit before your trip as the thoughts of 17 oz of lead armed with 10/0 treble hooks flying back at your head after a backlash can be a rather humbling experience ( and dont let anyone tell you it never happens to them because we have all experienced it at one time).

I suggest getting out on your deck or some elevated position and tie on a 16 oz bank sinker to your line. I am right handed and cast under hand from my right side. You have to get a feeling for thumb pressure on the spool as you cast..too little results in backlash and too much shortens the throw. Try real short throws at first to get the feeling and gradually increase the power. It is difficult to explain it in words but if you practice a bit you will get the feel of it.

As far as riggin is concerned, I use 80lb PowerPro line with about a 4 ft 130 lb flurocarbon leader. I attach a 17.5 oz stainless, 10/0 treble hooks (although this year I am going to experiment with a large single hook to advoid foul hooking so many fish) and I tied a dropper loop exactly 18" above my jig. Depending on what they are feeding on I will either use surge tube worms or flies. This past season purple flies tied on circle hooks worked well most every trip. Best thing is to experiment with different colors till you find what is working.

As far as the jig stroke is concerned, I use a long rod (7'4") so I am really moving the jig alot when I lift the rod tip (power pro line has zero stretch). I found a steady upward stroke and slowly lowering the tip so I can feel the jig descend does well. A lot of hits occure as the jig descends so you want to feel that jig (again the no stretch power pro line lets me feel them immediately).

Key is to experiment and find what works best for you and the equipment you are using. Every season I buy some new types of jigs or tie some different colored flies just to experiment with. Of course I usually end up catching the most fish on the above mentioned rig.

Have fun and stick a steaker for me!
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Hi Guys.
I don't know what Capt. Dave uses, but I am down to power pro and whiplash as my line choices.

This year I am going to put them head to head with 5 rods PP and 5 rods whiplash.

Codfisher- Where you are using the gear yourself pp50 works well and gives you a little more advantage in deeper water over the 80pp.

Except in April and part of May when I am on Stellwagen in 120 feet or less of water most of my codfishing is done in 250-300feet using 28 oz jigs so 50lb pp is better for me. If you don't jig in deep water then 80 is good.

In any event being out there is the best.- tom

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Plan on paying the mate another 15-20 on top of the trip cost. Pay the mate like you'd tip anyone else in a service industry- THEY work on TIPS for a living... 15% minimum for an average-good job (percentage of cost of the whole trip- $1000 trip= 150-200 for mate bringing trip total to 1200 dollars. 20% or more is what an attentive mate and good filleter deserves. Plus it keeps the captain with a happy mate (also very, very important). I have extensive first hand knowledge as I have mated on three different cod-charter boats... those tips are the only thing keeping you doing your job with a smile on your face; who wants to be up to their armpits in cod guts and stand around and watch everyone else catch? Its a tough job but someones gotta do it. Cheers, and tip the mate!
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Clams and oyster's are my favorite bait.

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We fished nothern jefferies this year in 250-400 ft of water using 17.5 to 21 oz stainless jigs. 100 lb power pro has the diameter of regular 20 lb diameter and I found it to work very well in the deep water. I know 50 is even smaller but I like having the heavier line in case Mr. Halibut or Charlie shows. Each to his own I guess.
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Would someone explain to me why anyone would want to cast a jig in a drifting boat? There a couple of reasons this makes little sense to me.

a) you are drifting, and when codfishing, that means you are in at least 60' but more likely in 100-200' of H2O. By the time you get bottom with the effects of current and drift you will usually be in harms way with the other fishermen you entangle, or right back under the boat. where you would have been anyhow.

b) say you can really, really cast a 17oz jig a long, long way. When you Jig the jig, instead of pulling it straight up off the bottom you will pull it sideways along the bottom. No problem in sand, but not where cod live. 17 oz jig= $13.00. "nice cast" the mate snickers as you leave your jig, teaser, snap, and 50 yards of super braid in the rocks.

c) If you are on a party boat (more than 6 others fishing) you will not have room to cast anything unless you are on the tip of the bow pulpit. Don't say i didn't warn you when you hook into the sleeve of the masonry worker you are sharing the rail with.

Sorry to expound, but I've crewed on over 300 offshore cod trips. I have seen the often funny, usually expensive, and sometimes dangerous, slab slinging for cod. Straight up and down makes friends, saves money, AND catches fish.

PS: for a teaser, try slug-gos in the shad color. DEADLY!!

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Reasons for casting while drifting.
Keep jig on the bottom longer
Enables you to use lighter jigs
Get first shot at fish
Stay away from the people dragging heavy jigs
behind the boat.
Catch more fish

Letting a jig straight down in a screaming tide will soon have your jig trailing well behind the boat or off the bottom, trailing jigs catch bottom very well, jigs way off the bottom catch nothing.

There are many times when the cod are following the boat that a straight drop is the way to go but by not casting you are limiting your time on the bottom the rest of the time.

Many problems casting a jig come from trying to cast too heavy of a jig or trying cast it farther than you are capable of.

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Bob is correct in all his points. Drop a jig at the boat in a screaming tide and you will be pulling the jig sideways the entire drift. I judge the tide and throw so that I can get the most straight up and down jigs per cast. I would estimate 80% of my cod are taken when the line is straight up and down. Of course when those slammer pollack are around the jig usually never makes the bottom. Cant wait for spring. All this talk off jigging cod makes ice fishing seem a little boring.
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Ok Guys..Ok...

on a party boat, which is my frame of reference, all anglers jig from only one side of the vessel-the side that is being pushed by the tide/wind. This is necessary so that the lines runs down and soon away from the boat, rather than under it. In a strong current, (especially in deep water) you may only get 7 - 10 good bounces on bottom before the line is at such an angle (away from the boat) that it drags along and (no good). Unless you are on the pulpit or stern corner, How would casting your jig away from the boat give better bottom time?

If you are on a private vessel or happen to be the lucky guy on the pulpit-cast away. My point is that 19 out of 20 times (cuz there could always be a reason) casting jigs on a party boat is unnecessary and won't improve your bag limit.

COD ON THE ROD!!!

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Solution to the problem then is to only fish from the bow or portside stern corner. When I use to fish on headboats I would try to get the guys on the bow into a rotation between positions. If they could all throw jigs and were cooperative we were able to catch alot of fish.

Two years ago I started fishing on a 6 pak out of Wells, Me. After doing that I will never go on a headboat again and deal with all the problems. I would much rather go on 2 or 3 trips a year, and fish with people who know what they are doing and catch a ton of fish. Worth every penny.
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Cast down wind or the direction the boat is travelling and you get a few more jigs before you have to pull up
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CODFISHER;

AMEN to that! Hope you have an extra freezer!

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quote:Originally posted by Bob:
Reasons for casting while drifting.
Keep jig on the bottom longer
Get first shot at fish

Letting a jig straight down in a screaming tide will soon have your jig trailing well behind the boat or off the bottom, trailing jigs catch bottom very well, jigs way off the bottom catch nothing.

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Bob is correct in all his points...

I beg to differ: USE A HEAVIER JIG IN A TIDE... THATS WHAT THE DIFFERENT WEIGHTS ARE FOR. Also, pipe jigs don't drift as badly as the norwegian jigs- rubber grubs with a 20+ ounce weight are the way to go as they dont drift half as bad as the jigs do/ wont' catch the bottom- long as you have some good heavy lead on the end and stay up and down. Casting a cod rig is downright foolish and dangerous. Fish it up and down using a heavy jig... if you cant jig a heavy rig, start lifting weights. Each time you reel up to cast again YOU ARE NOT FISHING. Your gear is OUT of the water, thats when you miss passing fish. Codfish/ pollock/ haddock travel in schools in the heat of the season and they will bite anything in front of their nose when they swim by, so keep it down there. Use more weight and keep wigglin' your worm! Forget casting a cod rig, it looks foolish, is dangerous, and is not more productive than the drop and jig method... I'll put money on the fact that i'll outfish you with the drop and jig method and more weight without throwing a huge clumsy rig, which is not meant to be cast on such a cod setup and which 90% of guys will rat nest their spool at some point during the day. If you want to cast, buy a spinning outfit; that's what they are made for.
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Each to his own. If you want to use heavy metal fine. But I guarantee you that with the right size jig I will keep the jig a lot longer in front of the fish by casting than someone who drops down even 48oz. If you dont know how to cast fine but dont try to crtitize those of us who do. If you know your equipment you can do this very safely and you will catch more fish.
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I don't know what to say , you have your mind made up and all us casters are idiots. Well I fish with some of the best codfisherman in the northeast on a regular basis and we all cast a jig to cover more ground and catch more fish. If you fish on any of the top cod boats such as the Bunny Clark or the Helen-H you would see the majority of the high hooks casting a jig. We also get by quite nicely with a 10 oz angerman jig most of the time and will only go up to a 16 oz if we have to. As far as putting money on it, there are plenty of casters on the above boats that would be glad to take your
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For the record, the Bunny Clark and the Helen H are party/charter headboats. High hooks? They aren't high hooks by anyones imagination. That is like telling someone that the yankee fleet are high hooks. Try catching two hundred pounds of cod per man per day gutted consistently... Not on those boats you won't. Keep on casting, i guess its your preference or whatever and to each his own, but the results speak for themselves, and atleast i get a laugh watching you guys standing on the pulpit trying to cast your drop outfits when I pull up next to you and fill my 500 pound quota for the day in a 20 footer- all because my lines are in the water 40% or more of the time that yours aren't where they should be (on the bottom) When dropping down 80-120 feet, the angle at which the jig enters the water is practically up and down by the time it hits the bottom anyways. See you out there boys.
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Sounds like you are fishing stacked up (spawning ?)
fish within 10 miles of the beach off the cape in the fall , early winter. If you are fishing that shallow by all means drop right on them and lock and load.
We also commercial jig during the winter offshore to Platts,southern jeffries and up till this year Fippanies in much deeper water and the name of the game is covering ground, we do that by casting.
To each his own.

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