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Old 01-09-2013, 10:49 AM
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Anyone have any info on the Stopler 38? 38' long with a 12' beam. Can anyone confirm it's an all glass hull with no core? Any info on this boat would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:10 AM
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ThreeLittleFish a 12 ft beam on a 38 ft boat is pretty darn narrow, especially if you want to charter it. I think I PMd you this, but if this is still for sale you can steal it from the bank
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:49 PM
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The Stopler mold was taken off of the hull of my previous boat, a Knowles 37 Express. Prior to buying my Knowles I looked at several Stoplers, and they are nice boats, no match for a cold molded Knowles, but nice boats.

Stopler didn't quite have the balance down on the boats he put the 450 c series Cummins in, and added forward spray rails that made the boat ride stiffer than a Knowles, and wetter. The Knowles I had ran beautifully, it was a fantastic sea boat for 37' and rode better than a Viking 50 for example. It was very economical, with a 30kts cruise at about 30gph, and a 24kts cruise at about 20gph with 6BTA 370hp Cummins. I suspect a Stopler with 370 Cummins would ride pretty darn well and be almost as fast and almost as economical as the stiffer, lighter, cold molded Knowles. Also, the Knowles was a fish raising machine, and we saw billfish behind the Knowles way out of proportion to most other boats (and it wasn't our incredible skill either!)

The cockpit on the Stopler is as large as on the Knowles, and that is a plus for sure. We had six on my Knowles frequently, but it was tight with six, as any mid size boat is going to be.

BTW, on my boat the beam was 12' 2" or so and the actual hull length was 37' 6"; since the Stopler mold was taken off of my boat I suspect the length and beam are identical. 3:1 length to beam is the traditional recipe for a great riding boat, and the Knowles and Stopler are very close to that. It sure worked for the Knowles. Also, both the Stoplers I ran and the Knowles handled extremely well.

I met Stopler at his plant somewhere near Palm Beach. I believe he used Kevlar in his lay up schedule - and my Knowles had a Kevlar layer or two on the exterior - and I think he used Divinicell foam coring, at least above the waterline. I wouldn't shy away from a Divinicell cored boat, or a cold molded boat either, and a survey will reveal any water intrusion in either. With Kevlar there won't be water intrusion. It took a truck full of hole saws to install a through hull transducer in the Knowles.

FYI, there is a '93 Knowles for sale that was recently repowered from 330 Cummins to 370 Cummins, and the boat looks to be in fine shape. The ask is $415k, which is a bit proud, imo. Here's a link: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1993.../United-States This one isn't my old boat, my old boat is in the Honduras charter fishing for billfish. Here's a link, the changed it around some, but not much. The Release Helm chair is gone and the boat used to be sea foam rather than white: http://www.a-fin-ity.com/A-Fin-ity.html

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I looked for Stoplers for sale and found two. If the older one doesn't have too many hours on the 370's it would be a steal, imo, and a fine Palm Beach style day boat for the charter business. Even if it has lots of hours, you may be able to buy it right enough to repower and still come out good on the $'s.

Both of the boats I found had the 370's, which is the engine I would select for those boats. I loved my Cummins, After putting 500hrs on the 300's I repowered my boat from 300's to 370's and then put 1800hrs on the new engines with only two minor gauge issues taken care of under the warranty, other than the gauges nothing other than oil changes and keeping the fuel filters clean and fresh.

Looking at the Knowles and those Stoplers for sale gets me reminicing about the fantastic times I had on the Knowles. I catch myself second guessing moving to a 56' flybridge...

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Now you know what I went through looking at boats for charter. Compromising on everything. Larry do your self a favor and buy the best quality boat you can get, the money you spend upfront will benefit you from day one till the day you sell the boat. I would stay with a name brand that everyone knows, sounds funny but customers like seeing the names they hear on tv or magazines. I run a Merritt and we know what that is but the average customers have no clue what a Merritt is. They know Viking and the other production boats names and all ask when they call at some point. I also would steer you towards a cabin boat verses the express. You will want a tower most likely even if you don't use it for dock appeal for customers. Again the cockpit size is key to the charter customer friendly boat first then followed by seating, cabin, etc. I also like a large bridge with seating for the customers. Every family trip a child will get to steer the boat and lots of day someone would rather sit up top and relax. You or your captain entertaining the customers is much better than the first mate a lot of the time. Big engines are great but big engine use lots of fuel. I cruise at 16 knots when chartering in the Keys and burn 16 gallons per hour both engines, can I cruise faster yes but why when the average boat here cruises at 12 knots and you passed them already on the way out. I would also get a hull designed for running into waves as it seems on every trip the winds are from the east someplace and you have to run into it. My boat is known as the Pompano Pounder for a reason. A dry boat also is nice! We also anchor to catch bait on almost every day from October till late April so I have different needs than your area. Try to avoid in deck live wells or fish boxes as one day the accident will happen. If it were me I would look at 40 foot to 43 foot boats. Please call me if you would like and I will try to help in any way.
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Thanks for the information on the Stolper. It was a shot in the dark. It looked interesting. Nice Boat!

I made an offer on another Pursuit 3800. Nice clean boat that I believe will serve my needs well. If not.... lesson learned. Yep... it's all about compromises! We'll find out soon enough if I made the right ones!
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The original Knowles 38 had VERY specific design features because it was designed by the VERY specifically cantankerous and anal retentive Mr. Knowles. :-D The beam is what it is not strictly because of the magic 3-1 proportion, but because at the stern, it is the maximum width that it can be so that anyone fishing from a chair mounted on a non-offset stanchion of normal height for a boat that size with a normal length boat rod will not catch their line on the corners. The gunwales are the heihgt that they are because that is the height that is needed for the average American male to lock his knees under then when fighting a fish stan up. Pretty cool, no?
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