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Old 01-28-2012, 06:47 PM
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Does the eye color matter on lures? If so, 3D stick on eyes, what is the best color?
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:59 PM
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Ask Peter Wright what he thinks about "eyes" on lures...
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What kind of lure?
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What kind of lure?
Jig jeads both round and banana. Banana is used for trolling as well. Also a Sea Witch style head.
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If you are doing a small witch like say 1/8 - 3/8 oz, I don't think you are gonna see enough of a difference going with or without on the eyes.

For larger, I think it will make a bigger difference depending on the presentation / technique.

For standard trolling speeds, I doubt it would be worth the $ for the upgrade over fixed.

As for color......... yes, that does help depending on the lure color sometimes.
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Eyes on lures do matter! It is thought that predators orient their attack based on the position of the eye of their prey. In fact, there are fish that have large eye spots by their tail and that has been thought to have evolved by natural selection as a way to avoid predators.

This is NOT from a peer-reviewed scientific journal, but it does come from a university in Ohio:

Researchers have proposed many theories concerning the purpose and function of the eyespots in butterflyfish. False eyespots look like eyes, but occur in other regions of the body (6). In fact, the most prevalent theory is based on the fact that most false eyespots are located in the posterior of the butterflyfish. The butterflyfish use the false eyespots to produce an impression of a head at the wrong end. This leads researchers to believe that the eyespot serves to misdirect predator attacks toward less vital body areas, resulting in decreased predation rates or severity (7). In some cases, the predator completely misses the intended butterflyfish by assuming an incorrect (or misguided) plan of attack.


I put 3D eyes on all of my lures and they work pretty well. As far as color of the eye, I don't think there is one color that is far superior to another, I just use something that has a good bit of contrast with the color of the jig.


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Ask Peter Wright what he thinks about "eyes" on lures...

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Hi Jackie Thanks for an interesting question. I plan to submit it to Marlin Magazine

I believe VERY STRONGLY that eyes are not necessary on ALMOST all lures. The most likely exception would be a fly where it barely moves at all and might get looked as very closely by a fish. A trout looking at a dry fly might care about eyes but ocean fish that I have fished for DO NOT. Off shore Fast moving lures get bit!

In shore lures different actions can be critical in getting a bite or not.

We have proven this to be true many, many, times ,with home made lures for marlin and tuna. Size of the lure matters A LOT but eyes or no eyes absolutely does not matter and there are only a few species of big game fish with more than very limited color vision.

What does matter is what any anglers to whom you might intend to sell the lures some day want in the way of eyes! ASK THEM!

If this is for your own use and you are trying to get some sort of "SECRET WEAPON" for your use only, I suggest experimenting, not only with the color of the eyes, but also the SIZE.

Keep good records and get at least 100 bites before deciding you have discovered any REAL difference.



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Agree with Peter...Eyes are not necessary in most applications...Plenty of offshore lures out there without eyes that catch fish...How about that ever so popular green machine many fish with up in the NE of the US...Also, plenty of teasers out there without eyes that raise fish too...When I fish the everglades, most of my jigs don't have eyes...and if they do, they either chip or fall off after some time...Yet, they still catch fish.


In my opinion, action is more important..But eyes do catch fishermen.
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I don't think anyone would argue that eyes are the MOST important feature of a lure, but there is substantial scientific evidence that eyes do play a role in many predator/prey interactions. Individuals doing experiments are great; I like to experiment when I go fishing. But will my experimentation, or the experimentation of a dozen anglers prove anything? Not really, we can "experiment" - and I put the term in quotes because of our inability to control for various factors - and 5 of us can arrive at several different conclusions. If we look at nature we can see that eyes and false eyespots are common mechanisms that have evolved in various species to evade predators.

Are eyes the MOST important feature of a lure - no. Do fish utilize eyes on prey as a cue? The evidence from the literature would certainly suggest that they do. Since they can only help - I vote with the "ayes", eyes, whatever!

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For offshore applications (particularly trolling) I'd agree that eyes aren't necessary.

Inshore, whether lure or fly.... I want eyes and go to considerable lengths to add them. I'm not fond at all of holographic "3D" eyes since they don't hold up well at all (one hit and those eyes are done, usually). I won't use eyes on bucktails (except painted eyes, and those only occasionally) but the flies I tie and some lures that I modify get the eye treatment every time.

Here's a pic or two of what I'm doing....

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No eyes for these skimmers (but some will get serious weedguards)

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These Blacklight Specials get hard plastic eyes, very durable and effective

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This big offshore Southern Deceiver has painted eyes....
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Nice Flies Capt. Bob....Met you a couple of yrs back at the inside ramp...How's the winter fishing in the glades this yr?
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It's been very good. I'll have a report posted tomorrow on the Florida board...
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Capt. Bob,

The 3D eyes are durable - when mounted properly on appropriate jigs. The key word is appropriate - the jig must have a substantial depression in which the 3D eye can be mounted. The eye is then embedded in epoxy. When properly mounted there is no way they are coming out easily.

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The 3D eyes are durable - when mounted properly on appropriate jigs. The key word is appropriate - the jig must have a substantial depression in which the 3D eye can be mounted. The eye is then embedded in epoxy. When properly mounted there is no way they are coming out easily.

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Agree, we actually place the eye on and then clear coat over them. I'll post a couple photos later on this evening. So far on jigs and trolling lures we haven't had any come off.
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For Pete and saltfever... you're absolutely right. I looked at your Redneck jigs and they're exactly what I'd use if adding eyes. Most of the commercial molds that I'm familiar with don't have that recessed feature. The two styles shown are very well done. Expect I'm going to be seeing lots of them in outfits specializing in bluewater sales....
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Capt. Bob,

First of all, thanks for the kind words. I have had to modify some of the molds because the eyes were not really recessed. The recess and the epoxy coat are the keys to keeping the eyes in place.

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