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Old 05-30-2011, 10:22 AM
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Default Penn Senator- red, black maroon side plates

Does the color of the side plates on older Penn Senator reels have any signifigance?
I have a couple of red, just ebay bought a black, and I have seen maroon.
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If they are all the same size, then no.
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Nick I've noticed that a number of the older black ones were not H models.
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Absolutely

The red/maroon senators are the "Special Senators". They have ball bearings and faster retrieve ratios. Not the same reel.

Red/Maroon Special Senators come in the 3/0, 4/0, and 6/0 reels only. The other Senators come only in the standard black sideplate version.
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If they are all the same size, then no.
Not correct.

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They are two different reels- the black are the "regular" senators and the red/maroon are the "special" senators with the faster retrieve, as he said.

The red ones are typically the newer special senators and the maroon are the older ones. If the specials are from the last few years they aren't as well made, but if they are a little older and "made in USA" stamped they are usually good workhorse reels that will last decades with proper care.

I like the older maroon ones, too, but the drag knobs tighten quick- like a 1/4 turn makes a HUGE difference in the amount of drag. It can be hard to dial the older ones in if you need to loosen and tighten the drag quickly.
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Example. A 4/0 113H will have the maroon plates signifying high speed. If black plates are used it is a standard 4/0 113.
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Thanks for confirming my observations guys. I didn't know the specifics, but I've purchased a number of Penn 113H's and 114H's on eBay and noticed the black ones weren't the specials with the higher speed retrieve.

Fortunately all of the reels I bought were made in the USA, including the few with graphite spools. Maybe there's nothing to it but American bias, however it worked out that way so good. Some are pristine with metal spools and bakelite handles. The only color handle I'm missing is the green one. Lol, I don't even fish those. They sit on display...like old fire engines. Both 113H's and 114H's. I only fish the graphite spools.
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Thanks for confirming my observations guys. I didn't know the specifics, but I've purchased a number of Penn 113H's and 114H's on eBay and noticed the black ones weren't the specials with the higher speed retrieve.

Fortunately all of the reels I bought were made in the USA, including the few with graphite spools. Maybe there's nothing to it but American bias, however it worked out that way so good. Some are pristine with metal spools and bakelite handles. The only color handle I'm missing is the green one. Lol, I don't even fish those. They sit on display...like old fire engines. Both 113H's and 114H's. I only fish the graphite spools.

Just to clarify, Penn never manufactured graphite spools for any of the Senators.
Most likely you are referring to the black-anodized spools that are aluminum.
For a short time in the early 1980's, the aluminum spools were also made in red by Penn for a few models.
Newell made some aftermarket graphite spools for Penns for awhile in the late 1980's, but as I recall they were only for smaller models like the 500.
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Just to clarify, Penn never manufactured graphite spools for any of the Senators.
Most likely you are referring to the black-anodized spools that are aluminum.
For a short time in the early 1980's, the aluminum spools were also made in red by Penn for a few models.
Newell made some aftermarket graphite spools for Penns for awhile in the late 1980's, but as I recall they were only for smaller models like the 500.
Yes you're exactly right about those spools. Thanks for that clarification. Mine are the black anodized aluminum. I have graphite on my mind too much lately as I've recently purchased some 30-GLD's and some 345 GTi's. These are some sweet sweet reels.

Again Tuna, thanks. I appreciate it.
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Just to add, if there is a '2' in the model name (ie 113H2), then it was made in Japan. Reels with a retail of under $250 were moved to the Japan manufacturing site, and given the '2' designation. Don't remember the year that started, though.
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Great info - thanks. I am not collecting, I am using. Sounds like I should try to locate older red special with Made In USA. Thanks
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