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Old 10-08-2010, 04:18 AM   #1
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Default Help catching Greenbacks, please.

Help Please from the gurus. Looking for how to consistently catch greenbacks with my bait net. I live in west central Fl, fish from Tarpon Springs to the Skway. My dilema is catching good bait consistently. How are you pros doing it? Would like some feed back on time of day, chum used and what kind of locations and water conditions. I have a quality net, its heavy, 10' and my ability to throw is pretty good. My problem is finding them and gettin them to the surface. first couple times must have just got lucky because latley I cant find them anywhere. Thanks.
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Hey Man, I Live just south of your area in Terra Ceia. I fish from the Sky Way down to Sarasota. I catch my greenback on grass flats. I look for birds in the area, Diving birds is better but just birds hanging over a flat is fine. 2-4' is best because they can't go deep.

If it's light out I look for them flashing and "Kissing" the surface, it's very subtle but it looks like rain drops. If it's dark out still then I use chum.

I use can's of Jack Mac which you can get at any grocery store in a canned food isle. I mix the jack mac up in a bucket with bread. I anchor up on the flat and start tossing it out all over behind the boat. Greenbacks really respond well to it. I use a 1/4 mesh cast net for greenback as they get stuck in the larger nets.

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It's that time of year. The pilchards are not around right now, you just have to work harder to find them, if you find them at all. Two places I usually catch them are the SE corner of Anclote, by the shallow water sign SE of the boat pier, and SW of Howard Park. Other spots are up around the stilt houses off the Cotee. Sometimes they are up shallow, less then 3' and sometimes deeper, 7-8'. I chum with Purina tropical fish food mixed with menhaden oil and water. Sprinkle this chum on the water a little at a time - keep hitting the same spot with the chum. Throw your net behind this spot, not on it, as the bait will be coming up current to get to the spot where the chum is hitting the water. Also, first light is the best time of day. At dark o'clock, you can throw in the blind, but after the sun comes up, don't throw until you see them flash in the chum. You don't need to get them to the surface to catch them. That's why your net is heavy. Should be a 3/8" net for all around bait. 1/4" won't sink fast enough and 1/2" will cause too many to gill, causing a Christmas tree which is no fun clearing. If you don't have them by 7:30 - 8:00, go fish with artificials.
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Old 10-08-2010, 08:41 AM   #4
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Just curious - do you guys not use sabiki rigs for making bait? We gringos are restricted from using any kind of net in Mexico, but a couple of guys with sabikis can put lots of greenback macks and sardines in the bait tank in a pretty short time.

Different fishing where you are, I'm sure, but was curious if you use sabikis or not.
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Here in Swfl the bait is plentiful right now. Head to your nearest grass flat with about 4' of water. Arm yourself with a 3/8" 10' cast net, some kozy or purina fish food, a little menhaden oil and start chumming. Wait about 10 mins and throw, shake net into livewell and go fishing.

Yes we use sabikis for threadfins and pinfish not greenbacks here.
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Try right along (almost under) the south pier on the gulf side of the Skyway Bridge. I've only been there once, and it was in June, but I don't think I've ever seen that big a haul come out of one throw. We weren't using any chum.
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Okay, are we talking "greenbacks" aka Threadfin Herring, or "whitebait" aka Scaled Sardines? Makes a difference.

In the early morning around the Skyway, you often find Threadfins and Scaled Sardines mixed up together.

As the sun get up in the sky, I've found that they go their separate ways: Scaled Sardines go hug the bottom, Threadfins stay suspended.

For Greenies, I cruise around until I find a school of bait, then either toss a net or sabiki.

For Scaled Sardines, which are closer to the bottom around the Skyway aftet the sun gets up in the sky, I use the sabiki exclusively (I like my nets ).

In in the shallows, I'll try and chum them up and toss a net.

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Thanks guys, alot of good info. Im heading out in the a.m. gonna be around the fish houses north of anclote and down to anclote. If anyone is out that way in the am, Ill be in a 24cc proline, stop and say hello. PB are you a captian in the area? You always seem to have alot of good info.
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lots of good info already talked about. I have noticed when I go around the skyway that in some spots I just can't get the net to drop over them quick enough. I like the larger threadfins so I will try a few times to chum them to the surface (cheap cat food) and throw the net. I'll get lucky and land a few, but if it's too deep I assume they swim down and under the net. I'll sabiki them up from there and a few full lines and I'm set.
I think it was mentioned, but on the north skyway pier on the bay side I throw the net and it's only about 18-20ft in some places. I let the net get all the way to the bottom and I'm set for the day (usually one good cast). Recently though it's been all the scaled sardines or white bait which is a little smaller hanging around that area. Either way, good luck. I'll be out sunday trying for some kings off of the beach.
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Default Anclote area bait spots.

Please help! Where are the pilchards. How do you guys get bait year round? Any consistent spots out there?
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ditto, grass flats 4' or less. Chum with Purina fish food mixed with 25% menhaden oil and 75% water, just until it clumps. Cruise in slow until you see them, anchor or powerpole; start chumming slowly, be quiet and wait. And big whitebait is what you want.
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They just aren't there yet. They must be somewhere else or my tactics aren't right. I've tried fred howard, the markers, the famous 7x, the power plant flats,ect. They only thing I haven't tried is deep in the channels with a sabiki. Do u ever get them deeper in the channels like gulf harbors or the cotee?I have two different types of chum. One is the tropical fish food with menhaden. I get a shit load of pins. I can catch pins a mullet all day blindfolded. The other mix I have is some cat food with a little glitter and oatmeal mixed in. I have an 8ft,10ft,and 12ft net. FINDING THEM IS THE KEY. Are they along the beach maybe? There aren't any bridges except for dunedin in that area, but that a haul from anclote. Are they up river at the bridge by alt19 by cpt jacks?. The only thing I can think of is that they are still deep. I was out by the markers last Monday and it was qindy. So many factors in the guys and it's a true skill to get these little basterds. Any advice helps. I know u guides know where there at. Plz help, I promise I won't catch them all. Thanks for any input
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Do you go and pick a spot on a flat and chum them to you or do u idle around. I didn't see any diving birds either. I was out Monday and wed and notta. I saw some other guys to out by the shoal marker, pulling in empty nets! Wow never been so frustrated. I know there out there out there somewhere. And I know I got the right chum and nets. Thank you very much fellas.
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Do you go and pick a spot on a flat and chum them to you or do u idle around. I didn't see any diving birds either. I was out Monday and wed and notta. I saw some other guys to out by the shoal marker, pulling in empty nets! Wow never been so frustrated. I know there out there out there somewhere. And I know I got the right chum and nets. Thank you very much fellas.
It is around the Anclote area. I caught it yesterday the day before and have had it most days since late February. It has been unusually tough all Spring in the area and it is taking me on average 2 hrs to get enough to run my trips. Last year it was on the beach and I haven't see a single piece this year or even a pelican from honeymoon to north bar.

Here is my tip. Don't count on it being in the same place 2 days in a row. Start a daylight, bring lots of chum and be about twice a patient as normal. For those down south the Gulf pier at Ft Desoto at daylight is one throw and go and you will have to dump out half of it. Just watch out for flipper, that POS dolphin is eating cast nets like skittles.
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Thanks. But where are they. On the beach, in channels, flats.??
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They are in all of the places mentioned from one day to the next. I caught it at Fred Howard 2 days in a row. Then it took off and showed up south of the Ferry dock. Then it was on the north end of the key. The it was at 7x. There has been zero on the beach and I checked it hard yesterday.

I have never seen it like this. 2 hrs every morning to get enough and I have been catching bait around here for 30 years.

Also pay attention to the water temps. It was 57 degrees air temp when I left my house Sunday morning. When I launched the flats boat the water was 72 degrees in the river, it had dropped from 81 the previous Wednesday. Kinda weird for May and I think that is what is moving the bait around so much.
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It's the same down here in Lee County, bait fish have been hit and miss from day to day. Noticed that the bait fish have been showing up later and later in the day. two weekends in a row it's taken us a good couple of hours to find bait fish.

Typically sabiki rig's help us out in deeper water if the flats aren't producing.

Weather/temps fluctuating don't help much.
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Was in boca last weekend and took all of 2 hrs to get bait! Key is patience! A lot of good info mentioned.
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Thank guys.&good luck out there!
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That's sucks they're so hard to find up there; Tampa Bay is full of bait this year.
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