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Old 09-25-2010, 06:45 PM
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Default Is Anyone Using Downriggers For Wahoo ?

Most people seem to be using planers or trolling weights.
Is anyone using downriggers for Wahoo ? and if so what weight on the downrigger balls ? and trolling at what speed ?

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I would try a z wing or a old salty planer and change you cable to spectra. Balls don't work well at speed other then stupid slow. Get the gear and go as fast as you can with our breaking the down rigger.
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I make up to a 6 lb. trolling sinker that you can pull much faster than a downrigger ball. High speed trolling is the ticket for wahoo and you can't do that with a downrigger.

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Old 09-25-2010, 07:29 PM
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Appreciate the reply.
That Z-wing looks interesting and will give it a try.
http://www.alltackle.com/z_wing_planers.htm

Will not miss that heavy ball at all.
Have already changed the cable to Spectra. The cable used to howl in the wind.

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take a second look at the old salty planer. They are a whole lot less nice looking but they have a few advantages. Cost they a cheaper. They trip when you want them to come up. You can grab the line between the spool and the over boarding block and pull up and let it snap back. it should release. you can also free spool it for a second or 2 and it should release. http://www.oldsaltytackle.com/

The z wing is very nice but you have to stop the boat the bring it up or have a hell of a strong arm.


Sudden strike fishing i really like you ono trolling lures. can the be pulled at 14 kts with out sinker and stay down. what is the over all length? Will they take 800 cable?
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Planer rod is the only way to go for Blu3water Trolling!!! You can pull a Planer or trolling weight off of it. See photo below
z-wing puts to much strain on the down rigger and where it mounts.
Down rigger ball has to much blow back on the ball.
If you need any help with a Planer Rod setup and a Planer Bridle give me a call.
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I agree with Captfish. Planer rod is only way to go!!!
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The new removeable trolling weights are a great idea. They were invented by Tournament Cable Co.. Normally, using regular trolling weights can be a PITA as they are on the line and you have to do a lot of hand lining.

The clips on his weights connect to his wind-on bridle system. Once the fish hits, you fight it to the weight, remove the weight very easily and continue to fight normally.

You can also use a Planer if you like, on the same bridle. Take your pick. It's a very innovative idea that is worth a try by all those trolling offshore.

Here's a link to his Trolling weight system:

http://www.tournamentcable.com/pgs/c...cfm?itemcat=WA


Also a link to the Planers etc:

http://www.tournamentcable.com/pgs/c...cfm?itemcat=PB


Last but not least, if you have any questions regarding this system, you cannot find a nicer guy in the industry for help and advice. This would be Chuck Richardson the owner of Tournament Cable Co..
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It all depends on the tackle and technique you are using. Planers and high speed trolling are great in some applications/conditions, but it isn't the only way.

Just realize that if you are using a downrigger, you can't troll at high speeds (more than 5mph). Frankly, if you're going to use live bait or ballyhoo, it'll work just fine. When I troll in blue water with my downrigger I use a 10lbs weight, and usually set the depth to just up off the reef's edge. Off SE FL, I'll start at 50' and go from there.

A 10lbs weight is pretty standard and the advantage is that the line comes clear of weight at the strike and you don't have to worry about 12' of leader and 1-2lbs weight in the air.

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"They were invented by Tournament Cable" Not quite true. They have been in use for at least 20 years or so that I know of. They might be the first commercially available but they didn't invent them. The same for their bridal system not something they invented but they have put their own twist on it.
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"They were invented by Tournament Cable" Not quite true. They have been in use for at least 20 years or so that I know of. They might be the first commercially available but they didn't invent them. The same for their bridal system not something they invented but they have put their own twist on it.
Only thing unique about that is the bridle system. The planers were invented 40 years or more ago - by Les Davis. Luhr Jensen improved on them in the 80's with the Dipsy Divers.

As to the ball not trolling above 5kts is hogwash - we used them up at 7kts. We made pancake weights for many 20 years - 10-15 pounds with a bubbler fin for tracking stability up to 10kts.
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What's a "bubbler fin".
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A fin with holes punched but bent back on themselves. We used them in the Great Lakes 25-30 years ago.

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Only thing unique about that is the bridle system. The planers were invented 40 years or more ago - by Les Davis. Luhr Jensen improved on them in the 80's with the Dipsy Divers.

As to the ball not trolling above 5kts is hogwash - we used them up at 7kts. We made pancake weights for many 20 years - 10-15 pounds with a bubbler fin for tracking stability up to 10kts.

Only thing unique about that is the bridle system. Not Ture been using them for over 20 years!!! When we made them out of Dacron now we make them out of Spectra. Only thing Tournament Cable Co done was make it commercially available.
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Soooooooooooo, wieghts, planers, and diving plugs at 8-12kts huh?
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YES, You can troll Old Salty Planers on the downrigger, for WAHOO
Planers have been being trolled on downriggers for nearly 40 years in the commercial industry for King Mackeral from N.J. thru Florida. And for Salmon in the Pacific Northwest. As well as Grouper, Blue Fin, wahoo & many large gamesters

The Planer Rod set up with a bridle is a fairly new way in trolling Planers. (NEW) meaning it only started getting very popular in the past 10 years. It was a "Secret Weapon" on Sportfishing Charter Boats in N. Carolina. Also know as a "Meat Stick" The SNIPER Planer Rod in N. Carolina puts fish in the BOX on a regular basis. It is the ace up there sleeve when pickings are slim
PLEASE READ -HIGH SPEED TROLLING PLANERS
ON CONVENTIONAL DOWNRIGGERS
1. - When trolling Large Old Salty Planers HIGH SPEED on a conventional Downrigger. ( Meaning - Not a commercial downrigger) Aim the boom out the rear side of your boat, NOT straight out the back. Attatch a hose clamp near the tip of your boom or c-clamp, then crimp a 4-5FT piece of cable to the clamp. Then put a loop at the end of the cable with double crimps. before putting the end loop on, find a cleat or pad eye on the side of your boat. Attatch the looped cable to it, MAKE SURE, There is no slack in the cable!!! By doing this it will support your downriggers boom with no pressure put on it, allowing you to high speed troll down deep for WAHOO Conventional Downriggers hold up no problem slow trolling Old Salty Planers. But when high speed trolling, they put alot of pressure on the boom. 52-54lbs. of drag!! LOL. They hold up no problem, but WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND the cable to support your investment It works great on our boatWe also love our 2 Planer Rods, I highly recommend Anglers Envy

2. - A backing plate under the downrigger base is a big plus as well.
3. - Here are 2 ways to troll the Old Salty Planer on Hand-Lines or the downrigger.
A. -If you want the Planer to TRIP, at fish strike! Attatch a 4in. 300# shot off the tip of the Planers Blade with a "Butterfly Snap", then use 2 #64 rubberbands as your release system.
B. -You can also use a Blacks Downrigger Release on the downrigger line
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C. - The #12 & #16 Old Salty Planer is the Planer of choice for WAHOO fishing.

Here is a couple diagrams.
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Years ago I was fishing in Venezuela and we were catching 40-60lb hoos until our arms gave out. The local captain was using a Cannon downrigger, round ball weight, some nasty old plugs & Penn Senators and never went faster than 8-10 knots. Won't say it can't be done here but all this talk of high speed trolling, bent butt rods, 80W reels makes me wonder?
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[quote=GEOKAT;3252741]Years ago I was fishing in Venezuela and we were catching 40-60lb hoos until our arms gave out. The local captain was using a Cannon downrigger, round ball weight, some nasty old plugs & Penn Senators and never went faster than 8-10 knots. Won't say it can't be done here but all this talk of high speed trolling, bent butt rods, 80W reels makes me wonder?[/quote

You're absolutely right!
The only difference between an Old Salty Planer & a downrigger Ball is, the ball will ride up in the water and not stay at a controlled depth.

The Planer is designed to hold a controlled depth & rigged properly it will trip on the fish strike. Permitting FREE play of fish without any drag. The Planer will then start to surface, allowing you to easily retreive the Planer on the downrigger or hand-line or Planer Rod.
A Planer Rod, or custom bent butt rod, saves your back when reeling in one of these fast toothy critters.

A #24oz. Old Salty Planer will dive just as deep as a 10lb. ball, at high speeds.

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We've been running planers off the cleats the last few trips out with little success. #16 planer on 400 lb mono cleated off with the leader rubberbanded to a shower curtain ring. Runs fine but we haven't had even a knock down on it and we also noticed far fewer knockdowns on the other flat line and the short rigger lines probably becuse the planer is running right below them.

Anybody else notice less hits on the short lines when the planer is out? With the blowback it has to be in the spread.
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Matt,keep tryin planers will produce fish when used correctly.I've had days when all my fish come from the planer.
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