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Old 06-01-2010, 07:27 PM   #1
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How much trouble could you get in making your own artificial reef in the ocean say 10-15 miles from shore?
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None if you get a Federal reef building permit - which are probably easier to get than you think; otherwise, it will be considered ocean dumping, which is a Federal felony.
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Started looking into getting a permit. It appears to start with a $1,000 permit application fee. Anyone know anything more about doing this legally...
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this is done all the time in the gulf. there are several companies that build "private" reefs for fishermen, IIRC they will build you a reef for less than $1000. Perhaps you might google them and see if they can help you along? being that you are not in their territory they might help you out.

they might even offer you a franchise so that you can get rich building reefs??? lol

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I know some people that take a 55 gallon drum, a few hundred feet of chain, and a bunch of tarps tied off at various points on the chain. They head off shore, fill the drump with quick set concrete, hook up the chain, and push it off the boat and mark the coordinates to fish at another day.
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Would it still be a federal felony if you were say 15 miles out?
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illegal in FL.

................but i do know a good plumber who knows just what to do with the toilets he replaces.
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Old fiberglass hulls which aren't that difficult to find.Drill some good size holes in the front and back. cover the holes with duck tape or ac tape so they won't leak. fill the boat with good substrate like concrete block. secure all block with plastic straps or rope so they can't fall out. tow out 15 miles under cover of morning darkness. anchor the boat. you don't want the current to take it away. get on.have the anchor,chain and rope all ready to go get her anchored good
and pull the tape covering the holes in the front of the boat first. Let some
water in to stabilize then pull all the tape and get off the boat.should go down straight in 15-20 minutes depending on how many holes you drilled
you can put a flag or bouy to mark it. with your gps get the coordinates,remove the flag or bouy and leave.If your serious about making a good reef this is a graet starting point.you can then add toilets and other substrate later as you fish the wreck.You will be able to find a boat, but 55gal drums are too small to find.they would be better to add later.In 6 mo you will have jacks and other predators on your private wreck and by 1 year snapper and resident grouper with find it.be careful fishing it,folks with good radar will pick you off.Oh and one last thing you must put some kind of skeg or steering device on the back of the boat or it won't track right.your wife and some freinds will think you are nuts but the first 10lb genuine red you pull off your wreck will make it worth it

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Old fiberglass hulls which aren't that difficult to find.Drill some good size holes in the front and back. cover the holes with duck tape or ac tape so they won't leak. fill the boat with good substrate like concrete block. secure all block with plastic straps or rope so they can't fall out. tow out 15 miles under cover of morning darkness. anchor the boat. you don't want the current to take it away. get on.have the anchor,chain and rope all ready to go get her anchored good
and pull the tape covering the holes in the front of the boat first. Let some
water in to stabilize then pull all the tape and get off the boat.should go down straight in 15-20 minutes depending on how many holes you drilled
you can put a flag or bouy to mark it. with your gps get the coordinates,remove the flag or bouy and leave.If your serious about making a good reef this is a graet starting point.you can then add toilets and other substrate later as you fish the wreck.You will be able to find a boat, but 55gal drums are too small to find.they would be better to add later.In 6 mo you will have jacks and other predators on your private wreck and by 1 year snapper and resident grouper with find it.be careful fishing it,folks with good radar will pick you off.Oh and one last thing you must put some kind of skeg or steering device on the back of the boat or it won't track right.your wife and some freinds will think you are nuts but the first 10lb genuine red you pull off your wreck will make it worth it
These guys are dropping drums and chains with large tarps to collect pelagic fish, not reef fish
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Same in Mexico. It's all about dorado. The super pangas build contraptions out of floating jugs, a long piece of wood, and a bunch of palm leaves or some burlap bags tied to the wood. They then drop them and let them float around off-shore. They are great fish attracting devices for pelagics and I feel fortunate whenever I spot one. Usually fish under it.
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Would it still be a federal felony if you were say 15 miles out?
The EEZ is up to 200 miles out, and the Fed's can control all development from drilling to fishing to reefs in that range, so beyond that you would be good - don't know how the bottom fishing would be that far out.
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Old fiberglass hulls which aren't that difficult to find.Drill some good size holes in the front and back. cover the holes with duck tape or ac tape so they won't leak. fill the boat with good substrate like concrete block. secure all block with plastic straps or rope so they can't fall out. tow out 15 miles under cover of morning darkness. anchor the boat. you don't want the current to take it away. get on.have the anchor,chain and rope all ready to go get her anchored good
and pull the tape covering the holes in the front of the boat first. Let some
water in to stabilize then pull all the tape and get off the boat.should go down straight in 15-20 minutes depending on how many holes you drilled
you can put a flag or bouy to mark it. with your gps get the coordinates,remove the flag or bouy and leave.If your serious about making a good reef this is a graet starting point.you can then add toilets and other substrate later as you fish the wreck.You will be able to find a boat, but 55gal drums are too small to find.they would be better to add later.In 6 mo you will have jacks and other predators on your private wreck and by 1 year snapper and resident grouper with find it.be careful fishing it,folks with good radar will pick you off.Oh and one last thing you must put some kind of skeg or steering device on the back of the boat or it won't track right.your wife and some freinds will think you are nuts but the first 10lb genuine red you pull off your wreck will make it worth it
I like this idea. I was thinking for the range of this new reef that I would be fishing it for mostly bottom fish (blackfish, seabass, possibly cod, etc) And sinking a boat was more like what I was hoping to do (at least as a starting point. I have an old 22' fiberglass boat that is not worth anything. (can't anyone to take it away for free!). One catch is that the inlets around us are quite busy and the inlet I go out of has not only state police but coast guard station. Thought about towing it out of another inlet and then coming back in my inlet. Also, leave the engine (I/O) or take it out? If I left it in I would try to get all the fluids out.
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I like this idea. I was thinking for the range of this new reef that I would be fishing it for mostly bottom fish (blackfish, seabass, possibly cod, etc) And sinking a boat was more like what I was hoping to do (at least as a starting point. I have an old 22' fiberglass boat that is not worth anything. (can't anyone to take it away for free!). One catch is that the inlets around us are quite busy and the inlet I go out of has not only state police but coast guard station. Thought about towing it out of another inlet and then coming back in my inlet. Also, leave the engine (I/O) or take it out? If I left it in I would try to get all the fluids out.
take the motor out,you"ll never get all the fluid out-why contaminate your personal fish market?
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take the motor out,you"ll never get all the fluid out-why contaminate your personal fish market?

Good point. I was thinking it would help get the boat to "settle" and stabilize it on the bottom. I guess I could scrap it and get a couple bucks for it to help fund the project...
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old shopping carts are great for reefs. tie them into the boat before sinking it.
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I like this idea. I was thinking for the range of this new reef that I would be fishing it for mostly bottom fish (blackfish, seabass, possibly cod, etc) And sinking a boat was more like what I was hoping to do (at least as a starting point. I have an old 22' fiberglass boat that is not worth anything. (can't anyone to take it away for free!). One catch is that the inlets around us are quite busy and the inlet I go out of has not only state police but coast guard station. Thought about towing it out of another inlet and then coming back in my inlet. Also, leave the engine (I/O) or take it out? If I left it in I would try to get all the fluids out.

Definitely tow it out another safer inlet.we were stopped once and the marine patrol just made us turn back but that was back in the early 90's. If you know anyone at marine patrol sometimes if they are cool they will give you some advice when and when not to drag one out. a moon is helpful but not necessary. a good light/beam is heplful.make sure all the lights on your boat are working. We had to stop once to let a 60' go by. Tow the hull 30-40ft behind you boat.double ropes off your stern to the o-ring below the front cap also helps w/stability,you need to be able to tow it 10-12knts or faster so you can get it to your spot in a hour or so. place it 100-200 yards outside or inside some reef of rock ledge i you can.
take the motor out but leave the I/Odrive in place for steering but make sure you remove all the fluids. VERY important to have a rudder or that boat will be all over the place while its being towed. Its actually alot of fun and your not destroying or hurting the environment.Problem is it likely will be found so you will have to sink a few as long as they go smoothly
you can easily put 2or 3 shopping carts in the boat,secure them with rope and dump them off to the sides/front for more area before you get off the boat.they go down easy and also will help stabilize or you could just leave them in the boat with some cinder blocks.your only limited here by your imagination

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Hag - shopping carts... great idea!
I go to a scrap metal yard often (part of business) and found some super heavy steel casting (like fire hydrants) but the hard part is simply moving them. They are hundred plus pounds each. I like the idea of shopping carts. Need to find some. How about simple a bunch of cement blocks? I also am wondering about draggers. We have tons of dragging activity here. I'm sure that this would get dragged eventually, so i'm starting to think that maybe I'll build on an existing smaller and not so "good for fishing wreck", that way the draggers will already be avoiding it as a known snag.
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old shopping carts are great for reefs. tie them into the boat before sinking it.
I just had a picture of a supermarket manager looking at where all his carts should be, thinking to himself..."Where did they all go???"
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Hag - shopping carts... great idea!
I go to a scrap metal yard often (part of business) and found some super heavy steel casting (like fire hydrants) but the hard part is simply moving them. They are hundred plus pounds each. I like the idea of shopping carts. Need to find some. How about simple a bunch of cement blocks? I also am wondering about draggers. We have tons of dragging activity here. I'm sure that this would get dragged eventually, so i'm starting to think that maybe I'll build on an existing smaller and not so "good for fishing wreck", that way the draggers will already be avoiding it as a known snag.
I think fire hydrants are too heavy and not enough surface area (substrate for marine growth), Cinder blocks are the best,porous, places for smaller fish to hide.If you have access to parking lot blocks/bumpers. they fit nice along the sides and add to stability.don't make it too heavy.it will be difficult to tow. the draggers will destroy all your efforts.maybe a couple 55gal drums w/some concrete in a square or triangle configuration would create a snag area.
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I've heard the charter cpt's talking about orange snow fence to attract kings or whatever else. It floats so they get 6-8' section and tie a block to one end so it floats up vertically.
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