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Old 01-31-2010, 07:42 PM
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I've always had the aluminum outrigger poles on my past boats , the boat i just bought came with CARBON FIBER outriggers any pros or cons? anything I should be aware of or anything I should be doing differently

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I've always had the aluminum outrigger poles on my past boats , the boat i just bought came with CARBON FIBER outriggers any pros or cons? anything I should be aware of or anything I should be doing differently

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I was told that Carbon Fiber outriggers are good because they have less flex.

I know there is debate on using fixed poles vs. telescoping poles on riggers because of flex concerns. I'm curious if Carbon Fiber poles come in telescoping form?
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I was told that Carbon Fiber outriggers are good because they have less flex.

I know there is debate on using fixed poles vs. telescoping poles on riggers because of flex concerns. I'm curious if Carbon Fiber poles come in telescoping form?
the ones I have are telescoping , they are more expensive but that doesn't necessaraly mean they are better , was hoping someone had some input
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Let us know. I'm SERIOUSLY considering CF for my boat, but would like some opinions first.
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Those things are junk. Send them to me and I'll dispose of them properly.

Just kidding. I don't have any experience with them, but I'd imagine the lighter weight would make it easier to deploy them on the water.
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Let us know. I'm SERIOUSLY considering CF for my boat, but would like some opinions first.
It will be awhile before I get to use them ( I'm in NJ) but I will post
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It will be awhile before I get to use them ( I'm in NJ) but I will post
Which ones do you have? The Tigress ones? I'm not sure how good of brand they are...
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Which ones do you have? The Tigress ones? I'm not sure how good of brand they are...
I have the C.E. SMITH
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I have the C.E. SMITH
Great, they are the ones I was looking at.
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I've always had the aluminum outrigger poles on my past boats , the boat i just bought came with CARBON FIBER outriggers any pros or cons? anything I should be aware of or anything I should be doing differently

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Carbon fiber may a good choice however keep in mind carbon fibers are excellent conductors of electricity and therefore may be a bit risky in the area of thunderstorms. You need to insure they are installed with lighting protection. Even then they can still draw a strike

ABYC Technical Educational Report TE-4 Lightning Protection

For lightning protection, carbon fiber masts require the addition of an air terminal and primary conductor as described elsewhere in this technical information report. If the hull or other structure contains carbon fiber, lightning conductors should be insulated from the laminate.
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Carbon fiber may a good choice however keep in mind carbon fibers are excellent conductors of electricity and therefore may be a bit risky in the area of thunderstorms. You need to insure they are installed with lighting protection. Even then they can still draw a strike

ABYC Technical Educational Report TE-4 Lightning Protection

For lightning protection, carbon fiber masts require the addition of an air terminal and primary conductor as described elsewhere in this technical information report. If the hull or other structure contains carbon fiber, lightning conductors should be insulated from the laminate.
So carbon fiber actually attracts more lightning than aluminum? Not that it matters much to me because there aren't many thunderstorms around here.
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So carbon fiber actually attracts more lightning than aluminum? Not that it matters much to me because there aren't many thunderstorms around here.
You would think that aluminum would be as good a conductor as carbon but a materials engineer friend told me the graphite in the carbon fiber is a better conductor...go figure

I do know i just bought a new St. Croix rod and there is a warning on the warranty card that says - "Never use a graphite rod in an electrical storm. Graphite rod blanks contain carbon fibers, which are excellent conductors of electricity"
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In the grand scheme of things, aluminum is an excellent conductor of electricity. That's why it's often used for over head power lines.
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So for those of us that live in florida and have carbon fiber riggers what should we do to stay safe...NOT JOKING..I just bought a set of smiths, just have not rigged them yet!!
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interesting point , i would of never thought that cabon fiber is more conductive than aluminum
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So for those of us that live in florida and have carbon fiber riggers what should we do to stay safe...NOT JOKING..I just bought a set of smiths, just have not rigged them yet!!
If you follow the ABYC standards, you would install a separate bonding system to a large copper ground plate somewhere that was tied into a lightning rod or in your case maybe you could actually use the base of the carbon riggers. You need very heavy gauge wire connecting to the copper plate. This is not the same bonding system as you may already on board to link all of your through hulls to a zinc plate for electrolysis protection.

Honestly, I have to say that I have never seen a lightning protection system except on large sailboats and very large motor yachts. You are so close to everything on a smaller boat, it's not clear if it would really be of benefit, though one of the purposes is to dissipitate the charge that can build up during an electrical storm (I am sure you have felt that sort of tingling -- really scary when it happens).
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I have actually heard crackling static electricity popping off of the end of a graphite rod when I was fishing with it with thunderstorms all around the boat. And let me tell ya something...about the only other thing that would make you get off of the water any faster would be the lightening hitting your boat!!!
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I don't think there is a way to really protect your boat from lighting. I have seen boats get hit that were "fully protected" and they loose everything. Other boats naked with no protection are fine. Also...the other way around. Lighting seems to be chaotic. I have also seen boats nearby that were not hit loose electronics.

My outriggers are not grounded. They are bolted to a fiberglass roof. I probably will ground them but I am not sure it will "protect" me any more. Also I have seen lighting hit trees and run to the ground. Trees are not the best conductors. Al poles are just as bad as graphite. I doubt graphite "attracts" lighting any more.

Also, do grounded items attract more lighting because they are grounded?

All this is my opinion and thus your mileage may vary...


As far as the graphite riggers go (esp for the sub 40' boat class)....These are the way to go! Much more expensive but they are ultra light and supper stiff. Low loads on the roof mounts and super stiff, they do not bend or whip around like al or fg do. Also no corrosion. I am replacing the AL ones on my boat with graphite (tirgeress 18'ers) They make both fixed and the new telescoping. I emailed the company and they weigh only 2# per pole! I have fished on other peoples boats with them and really like them. I need them because there is too much load at the roof mount with al poles. It is holding but there is a big moment (torque) on the mount.
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I have some coming but can't comment yet.
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I got my Smith ones, they are nice. Haven't gotten around to using them, and they sure don't weigh 2 pounds each. Don't know how the Tigress ones can.
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