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Its amazing how some people jump into supporting organizations that they know very little about. One minute they are Gung ho about joining something and putting "lifetime members" in their sig. and the next minute they are questioning if they made the right decision to support such a cause. Although the CCA is for the rec. sector, I know one of their themes has been towards the take of permit. They have been fighting this for a while. I think the latest kick has been to outlaw spearing of permit. They really promote catch and release which is cool to an extent, but some of the diehard CCA members are strictly catch and release only and if they could have their way, would most likely desire a fishery with a zero bag limit (IMHO). The CCA are geared more towards protecting species like bonefish, tarpon, permit, and all the highly prized game fish (pick and choose). The FRA has been contributing most of its time towards fighting the ever-changing reef species regs. My money goes to the FRA.
Max Overkill,
Great opener. The CCA is not owned by Valerio but the former head of the CCA is a grandson of a founder of Exxon. Wrong premise and erronious conclusion. Great start.
The Pew Foundation is another big oil owned operation. Right? No, wrong. The original charter of the Pew Foundation is pragmatic and conservative. It is the idle rich children of the founder who turned into what it is today.
Do some homework before posting more drivel.
CCA and Pew are in bed together ("you can look it up" as Casey said) and it can get confusing but it is a well documented relationship.
Pew is a master at mind bending. The former head is now the head of the CIA.
Its amazing how some people jump into supporting organizations that they know very little about. One minute they are Gung ho about joining something and putting "lifetime members" in their sig. and the next minute they are questioning if they made the right decision to support such a cause. Although the CCA is for the rec. sector, I know one of their themes has been towards the take of permit. They have been fighting this for a while. I think the latest kick has been to outlaw spearing of permit. They really promote catch and release which is cool to an extent, but some of the diehard CCA members are strictly catch and release only and if they could have their way, would most likely desire a fishery with a zero bag limit (IMHO). The CCA are geared more towards protecting species like bonefish, tarpon, permit, and all the highly prized game fish (pick and choose). The FRA has been contributing most of its time towards fighting the ever-changing reef species regs. My money goes to the FRA.
To be clear. I do not question if I made the right decision to support CCA.
CCA absolutely stands for conservation of the resource; but I do not know of one CCA member who does not take a fish home, or if they choose take their limit allowed by law.
I am a CCA member and if we are catching what we want we will take up to our limit. If we catch what we do not want to eat, we leave it for another to enjoy.
We do not make pets of fish and have not sold out to anybody.
__________________ "In My Dreams"
2012 36 Yellowfin triple 300 Verado's
Ice Blue/White top
Wrightsville Beach, NC
I'm more concerned that CCA is owned by Valero Energy.... you won't see CCA do anything that is contrary to the whatever the energy industry wants -- which is mostly unrestricted access to any place they want to drill or mine.
Funny, Pew is owned/financed by Sun Oil co. Didn't know CCA was owned by a energy co. CCA has been at the meeting in Fla. They appear to be with us now but initially they were'nt. I believe they were losing members quick. Check out Southeastern Fisheries Association, East coast fisheries section at www.EastCoastFishingSection.com. We've been fighting hard. So are the Fishing Rights Alliance (FRA). Join one, this is a big deal.
Pew is not owned/financed by Sun Oil. The Pew Trusts were established by Joseph Pew, a former CEO of Sun Oil and a member of Sun Oil's founding family. The activist direction on the Pew Trust's part was accelerated when Rebecca Rimel was appointment CEO of the Pew Trusts about 20 years ago.
Let's not cast blame at Sun Oil or even the Pews. The change of direction of the funding activities of the Pew Trusts is entirely due to Ms. Rimel's skewed view of right and wrong. She has Pew involved in many issues not simply the Oceans. Rimel is skilled, organized, and has access to enormous sums of money. Her views are far left of center.
Her opponents in the recreational fishing arena are far less organized, skilled, and funded.
Over the years there have been many organization that purported to serve the interests of recreational fishermen and the industries to support recreational fishing. Since the current Administration published its "Ocean Policy," a few of the organizations that had been known to support recreational fishing lost a good deal of luster due to their support of this "Ocean Policy." Two that signed onto the Administration's Pew-supported "Ocean Policy" were the CCA and the NCMC (National Coalition for Marine Conservation).
Remember that it is this "Ocean Policy" that was developed in only 30 days but that has a stated purpose of eliminating recreational fishing. While there may be scattered issues in that "Policy" that are acceptable, no "Policy" that has the stated mission of eliminating recreational fishing will get my vote nor will any organization that supports any such "Policy."
We all know that few of the organizations that support recreational fishing get along. They each have their own mini-agendas plus most are headed by people with substantial egos. None wants to be subservient to others. Therefore, we recreational fishermen who want to help fund the fight have to carefully watch what each of these organizations does in order to cull out the group of organizations to the very few that continue to earn our complete trust.
The Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA) has done that. Not only has RFA filed suit against NOAA Fisheries re the closure of the Black Sea Bass fishery in the northeast, it has dramatically beefed up its executive staff by adding Jim Hutchinson, Jr. as Managing Director. Jim has a fine record in supporting recreational fishing from his time as Managing Editor at The Fisherman magazine and will be a great complement to Jim Donofrio, the RFA Executive Director.
The RFA Legal Defense Fund needs our time, efforts, and money. They plan to litigate other recreational fisheries issues but their funding does not come close to the Pew Trusts. Send your donations to:
RFA Legal Defense Fund
P.O. Box 3080
New Gretna, NJ 08224
Call them at 888-564-6732 (toll free).
__________________ Capt. Lindsay Fuller June Bug Charters Beach Haven, NJ
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Member - Beach Haven Charter Fishing Association
Life Member RFA and NRA
We Support JCAA, IGFA, Ducks Unlimited
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I'm more concerned that CCA is owned by Valero Energy.... you won't see CCA do anything that is contrary to the whatever the energy industry wants -- which is mostly unrestricted access to any place they want to drill or mine.
Valero Energy does not own the CCA, Valero Energy is not in the drilling business nor is it in the mining business. There may be some valid negative things you can say about the CCA but what you said is just wrong.
I really enjoy all of the conspiracies that are so far off. Its much better to sit on the sidelines and bitch about it and do nothing.
I spoke at the recent La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries Commission meeting this past week regarding the snapper/aj/grouper issues and for the record the only people there were CCA, Charter Guys and a handful of rec. fishermen. In the big picture, all of these groups are working for the same thing, just in different ways. To sit here and bash one or the other is a waste of time and counterproductive. Go join one, two or all of them if you want, but more importantly go to the meetings of your local fisheries management groups and make yourself heard.
I'll weigh in on this thread again, mainly to post this link to CCA's website: http://www.joincca.org/media%20room/...20on%20A17.htm
Apparently, they have listened to the hue and cry of their members and have taken a firm stance against the proposed closures of the Snapper/Grouper fishery. About time....they have spent the last year waffling and doing nothing.
My comments earlier about CCA were made so that anyone considering supporting them be informed as to their affiliations. PEW is not a friend to the fisherman...and CCA's relationship with that organization is disturbing.
It is good they have come out against the closures...it is a step in the right direction. Now they need to re-think who they partner with.
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