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your statements are a perfect example of what's wrong in this country: snobbish elites trying to impose your will on law abiding citizens. just because these "hillbilly kids" are fishing off a pier and may not have the means you do shouldn't disqualify them from catching a sailfish which is well above 57 inches or whatever legal is these days.
Yeah he just came over here to whine in hopes of finding a "different answer"......the consesus on PFF was to pretty much tell him to p!ss-off. The guy caught a legal fish that was almost dead (in his judgement) when he landed it so he decided to keep it big deal. Desperate-"o" is always looking to criticize someone else especially if they don't have a big boat.
the last 4 post are obviously members who came over to tell more lies.the fish was caught using a treble hook.I am sure he reached in the fishes throat and removed the hook.Wait he cut the leader off and disappeared in the photo.Some of these guys are completely missing the point and its useless to try and explain it to them.No one is whining or crying.You guys that participated in it are wrong for the way you ,measure the fish Your basically saying you can make a measurement within 5 inches holding a gaff 3 stories above the water and you know its a lie and you keep trying to convince yourselves that what you did was the right thing to do.
the last 4 post are obviously members who came over to tell more lies.the fish was caught using a treble hook.I am sure he reached in the fishes throat and removed the hook.Wait he cut the leader off and disappeared in the photo.Some of these guys are completely missing the point and its useless to try and explain it to them.No one is whining or crying.You guys that participated in it are wrong for the way you ,measure the fish Your basically saying you can make a measurement within 5 inches holding a gaff 3 stories above the water and you know its a lie and you keep trying to convince yourselves that what you did was the right thing to do.
i been a member here for a long while(nov 2005) and not the other forum you came over here from - i just don't post much cause of stuff like you posted - now what date did you sign up - oh Sept 2009 - seems you are just whining and came here for some sympathy - try fishing off the pier maybe you can catch one too - seems to me you are jealous or something of those guys
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Another thread that has been reduced to childish bickering... The guys point is that apparently their are anglers killing fish BEFORE knowing they are legal. Well, for conversation sake, I don't agree with wreckless tactics that would kill fish that could very well be undersized - regardless of stock. That position doesn't make me a tree hugger or whatever those that really don't give a damn want to call it. Anyone that considers themself an angler and a sportsman that does not care about killing undersized/illegal fish, shame on you. It's that type of mentality that will eventually make it easier for the Fed regulators to eventually shut it all down.
the last 4 post are obviously members who came over to tell more lies.the fish was caught using a treble hook.I am sure he reached in the fishes throat and removed the hook.Wait he cut the leader off and disappeared in the photo.Some of these guys are completely missing the point and its useless to try and explain it to them.No one is whining or crying.You guys that participated in it are wrong for the way you ,measure the fish Your basically saying you can make a measurement within 5 inches holding a gaff 3 stories above the water and you know its a lie and you keep trying to convince yourselves that what you did was the right thing to do.
were you standing shoulder to shoulder to the guy catching the fish? so you know for a fact a treble was used? and know for a fact they killed it just to kill it?
the last 4 post are obviously members who came over to tell more lies.the fish was caught using a treble hook.I am sure he reached in the fishes throat and removed the hook.Wait he cut the leader off and disappeared in the photo.Some of these guys are completely missing the point and its useless to try and explain it to them.No one is whining or crying.You guys that participated in it are wrong for the way you ,measure the fish Your basically saying you can make a measurement within 5 inches holding a gaff 3 stories above the water and you know its a lie and you keep trying to convince yourselves that what you did was the right thing to do.
I am not a member of any such forum. I live in south Mississippi and my home port is Venice La. the only affilliation I have with Pensacola is my ex-wife who lives in Milton which causes me to steer clear of the whole area.
since you have appointed yourself the official sailfish police and obviously have lots of time on your hands you should station yourself at this pier and execute a citizens arrest upon witnessing one of these violations. it might be a good idea to don a life jacket before you go in case some of these "hillbillys" as you call them throw you off the pier after they kick your a**.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with any other fish or if its ethical to kill.its about the tactics used to harvest the fish.do you assume your fish is legal before you measure it AFTER you have already killed it?If you was bringing a sword to the boat and it was 35 feet away would you assume it was legal shoot it with a harpoon and than get it to the boat and measure it?These are my questions
Actually, the point I was trying to make has everything to do with this thread. If those kids were holding a legal swordfish or tuna, then everyone would be praising them, not criticizing. It's a double standard.
Now having said that, I agree generally with the point you made about how these fish are being handled.
I have personally released many sailfish and have never killed one, but would not criticize someone for doing so legally as long as the fish was not wasted.
Another thread that has been reduced to childish bickering... The guys point is that apparently their are anglers killing fish BEFORE knowing they are legal. Well, for conversation sake, I don't agree with wreckless tactics that would kill fish that could very well be undersized - regardless of stock. That position doesn't make me a tree hugger or whatever those that really don't give a damn want to call it. Anyone that considers themself an angler and a sportsman that does not care about killing undersized/illegal fish, shame on you. It's that type of mentality that will eventually make it easier for the Fed regulators to eventually shut it all down.
Fish'nFool,
If you read his posts on PFF I think you will get feeling his point is more to kick those in the nads who he thinks he is superior to (kayakers,surf fishermen, pier fishermen etc...). The funny thing is he is a big spearfhisherman so many of the fish he takes he "Kills" without knowing for "certain" if it is legal or not. But I know through, bad light, murky water, refractive distortion of the water, dive bubbles, fog in his mask and a host of other visoin limiting conditions he can judge that Cobia to the 1/2" at 30 feet before he pull the trigger ......wait I know he swims over to it and pulls out his tape measure and tapes it before he shoots it
The guy who took the sail made a judgement call about the legality of the fish before he gaffed it (and he was right it was legal 68").....this is the same thing Desparado does everytime he pulls the trigger on his speargun. To take the position he does makes him what I believe we call being a hypocrite......
If you read his posts on PFF I think you will get feeling his point is more to kick those in the nads who he thinks he is superior to (kayakers,surf fishermen, pier fishermen etc...). The funny thing is he is a big spearfhisherman so many of the fish he takes he "Kills" without knowing for "certain" if it is legal or not. But I know through, bad light, murky water, refractive distortion of the water, dive bubbles, fog in his mask and a host of other visoin limiting conditions he can judge that Cobia to the 1/2" at 30 feet before he pull the trigger ......wait I know he swims over to it and pulls out his tape measure and tapes it before he shoots it
The guy who took the sail made a judgement call about the legality of the fish before he gaffed it (and he was right it was legal 68").....this is the same thing Desparado does everytime he pulls the trigger on his speargun. To take the position he does makes him what I believe we call being a hypocrite......
This is why i stopped responding and on the other thread.You guys lie and tell; more lies to cover up this incident.Im not even a certified diver.You have not ever seen a picture of me holding a fish with a speargun or even heard of it.More immaturity and placing the blame of everything on me to hide the truth of the matter that the sail was gaffed in the heat of the moment and it was a crap shoot.NOTHING WILL EVER HIDE THAT FACT.No matter what you guys say about me,how many blaqtant lies about me driving my boat drunk,to now im a spearfisherman.I really hope chris pulls the plug on the other forum.Most of you are sad excuse for sportsmen and do not deserve the wealt of information that real true sportsmen provide to all the newbies that turn around and kill 30 flounder every other night to give away to neibhors or kill everything that comes in sight.I will NEVER post one more hint of advice ever on that forum even if its how to snell a hook on a mingo rig.
This is why i stopped responding and on the other thread.You guys lie and tell; more lies to cover up this incident.Im not even a certified diver.You have not ever seen a picture of me holding a fish with a speargun or even heard of it.More immaturity and placing the blame of everything on me to hide the truth of the matter that the sail was gaffed in the heat of the moment and it was a crap shoot.NOTHING WILL EVER HIDE THAT FACT.No matter what you guys say about me,how many blaqtant lies about me driving my boat drunk,to now im a spearfisherman.I really hope chris pulls the plug on the other forum.Most of you are sad excuse for sportsmen and do not deserve the wealt of information that real true sportsmen provide to all the newbies that turn around and kill 30 flounder every other night to give away to neibhors or kill everything that comes in sight.I will NEVER post one more hint of advice ever on that forum even if its how to snell a hook on a mingo rig.
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Posts: 23, Visits: 572 It was actually just a simple mistake. We were at the end of the dive and he took a shot at a fish and missed. The shaft sank down and hung on the rig at the level I was at (20ft +/- below). I went over and started to untangle it it. My buddy started heading up and felt tension on the line and thought I had the shaft and let go to keep from snagging me (couldn't see me through the bubbles). I assumed he had the gun the whole time so after I untangled it I let go of the shaft. I know....stupid way to loose a gun. If an Aj took it atleast it would make a good story!
I will try to get the rig coordinates. It is the largest of the three rigs fairly close together about 35 miles south of Dauphin Island.
NO it is not.My avatar is me holding the wahoo and screen name is -=Desperado=-
My apologies for making the mistake of not being able to make the distinction between -=Desperado=- and Desperado on the fly.....(I guess I also assumed you were the "same" and you were a diver because it "appeared" you know some of the "shooters" on PFF)......We all periodically make decisions on legal fish whether you are shooting it with a speargun, gaffing it at boatside or snagging it with a pier gaff. If you are not able to make those decisions with a certain amount of accuracy then don't do it. I have always been a real stickler for the rules, but I don't see where anyone should criticize someone who makes a judgement call that results in them taking what turns out to be clearly a legal fish....
He has posted this on a few forums and they are all telling him he is an idiot for acting the way he does. Its called little man syndrome. He is jealous because he couldnt catch sails out of his piece whaler and he cant even make it out of the number 1 bouy in Pensacola in his 35 Bertram and these guys are catching them on yaks and the pier. Pure jealousy.
If it's a legal fish (and it looks legal) then the guy that made the call to gaff it was right....however....just because it "legal" doesn't mean it's a good idea....I cringe when guys totally load up on reef fish or dolphin or whatever....coming away with 100lbs of fish filets, then freezing them for 6 months when at that time they toss them in the trash...on my boat...you kill it, you eat it....I suspect alot of the fish caught are wasted..what about all the big kingfish killed at the tournaments?....I seriously doubt 1/2 of that meat is consumed...not trying to hug any trees here...just being reasonable....
If it's a legal fish (and it looks legal) then the guy that made the call to gaff it was right....however....just because it "legal" doesn't mean it's a good idea....I cringe when guys totally load up on reef fish or dolphin or whatever....coming away with 100lbs of fish filets, then freezing them for 6 months when at that time they toss them in the trash...on my boat...you kill it, you eat it....I suspect alot of the fish caught are wasted..what about all the big kingfish killed at the tournaments?....I seriously doubt 1/2 of that meat is consumed...not trying to hug any trees here...just being reasonable....
there is no reasoning with that MOB.they obviously have no respect for the resource.Notice they stand up for the guy that gaffed a sailish and didnt have a clue if it was legal.It was a crap shoot.Now my dilemma is how to prevent this type of measuring tactic in the future.I guess no one cares.
Why kill a sail if you're not going to eat it? Just bringing them into a boat for pics, then releasing, supposedly cuts thier survival rate significantly. From my perspective, unless its basically dead when you get it to the boat or pier, take the pics with it still in the water, then do a proper release.
I couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted by luna sea II
your statements are a perfect example of what's wrong in this country: snobbish elites trying to impose your will on law abiding citizens. just because these "hillbilly kids" are fishing off a pier and may not have the means you do shouldn't disqualify them from catching a sailfish which is well above 57 inches or whatever legal is these days.
No sir, "what's wrong with this country" is the increasing prevalence of self-centered relativist morons who think that they are the center of the universe, everything else be damned.
There is nothing wrong with discussing the ethics and ethical implications of our sport. That's what determining right from wrong is all about. As someone else said, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Discussion, debate, and disagreement is adult, not childish. "Argument" used to not be a four-letter word.
No sir, "what's wrong with this country" is the increasing prevalence of self-centered relativist morons who think that they are the center of the universe, everything else be damned.
There is nothing wrong with discussing the ethics and ethical implications of our sport. That's what determining right from wrong is all about. As someone else said, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Discussion, debate, and disagreement is adult, not childish. "Argument" used to not be a four-letter word.
let me get this straight: these kids caught a legal sailfish and made memories that will last a lifetime and they've been called rednecks, hillbillys, and now you are calling them morons?
every time I gaff a fish on my boat I have to make a quick decision-is this fish legal? these guys did the same thing and the fish was 11 inches over the legal limit--not even close. EVERY THING THEY DID WAS LEGAL!!!
let me get this straight: these kids caught a legal sailfish and made memories that will last a lifetime and they've been called rednecks, hillbillys, and now you are calling them morons?
every time I gaff a fish on my boat I have to make a quick decision-is this fish legal? these guys did the same thing and the fish was 11 inches over the legal limit--not even close. EVERY THING THEY DID WAS LEGAL!!!
lies and more lies.the fish was 68 inches.it was 5 inches over the limit and the length of the fish was measured standing on top of a 30 foot fishing pier.eyeballing a 24 inch king is one thing since it can be hand reeled up but this sailfish was a crap shootWHY ARE YOU GUYS STILL DENYING THE FACT IT WAS KILLED ON A HOPE AND A PRAYER?you keep defending the actions no matter if it was legal or not makes no difference.TELLING ME YOU CAN PICK A POINT FROM 63 TO 68 INCHES 30 FEET AWAY and expect anyone with comon sense to believe that and its not going to happen.i guarantee if i pull out 60 inches of tape and ask you at 30 feet away is it 63 you would know the answer right?
lies and more lies.the fish was 68 inches.it was 5 inches over the limit and the length of the fish was measured standing on top of a 30 foot fishing pier.eyeballing a 24 inch king is one thing since it can be hand reeled up but this sailfish was a crap shootWHY ARE YOU GUYS STILL DENYING THE FACT IT WAS KILLED ON A HOPE AND A PRAYER?you keep defending the actions no matter if it was legal or not makes no difference.TELLING ME YOU CAN PICK A POINT FROM 63 TO 68 INCHES 30 FEET AWAY and expect anyone with comon sense to believe that and its not going to happen.i guarantee if i pull out 60 inches of tape and ask you at 30 feet away is it 63 you would know the answer right?
The guys fishing off piers are not like many on this site who get multiple chances at sailfish per year. Most years there are almost no Sailfish seen off the piers in P'cola. This year is an anomally. It has happened before but several catches per year seldom happen more than 1 time in 10 years.
BTW. It is absolutely legal to kill a sailfish off the pier. You don't even need a Coastal Pelagic Species Permit.
Chances are, these Sailfish did not go to waste. Hopefully they were smoked. Years ago, when I chartered out of P'cola, I kept an obviously dead Sailfish from time to time. I usually cut off tail and head, gutted it and put it in the fish box. It was not wasted. I've done the same thing with Blue Marlin, White marlin and 1 Spearfish.
Don't look down on these guys. Say you fish out of a nice boat and catch 10 Sailfish per year. How many of them die? You can bet your sweet ass they don't all live.
- seems to me you are jealous or something of those guys 
Posted 10/15/2009 12:45:17 PM 
