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Old 05-06-2009, 10:40 PM
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Default Bay Fishing with Bait 101: 2nd of 5 Articles Windy - Popping Cork and Shrimp

Bay Fishing with Bait 101:
Windy - Popping Cork and Shrimp

2nd of 5 Articles

This is the 2nd in a series of articles written for the average bay fisherman who would like to know a little more about approaching a day of fishing. Let’s imagine you are arriving at the boat ramp on a Spring morning and the wind has been blowing since before you sat down for breakfast at that greasy spoon restaurant, a solid 18 knots! Not to worry that is a typical day down on the middle coast, you have to learn to adjust your tactics or have an empty fish box at the end of the day! A couple of the most important decisions you'll make is what type of bait you decide to buy and the way you will present it to the fish. Your presentation will be decided in great part by the weather and time of year!

Shrimp and Popping cork is a great way to fish 8 or 9 months out of the year on windy days (Fall, Winter and Spring)! This style of fishing is used by only a few guides, it seems there is a contingent that has become opposed to teaching their customers how to cast, work the bait and set the hook…Not Me! Let me have a day of my clients casting over a day of anchoring up and casting for them! I have spent a lot of time working with the young and old alike, for example the 70 year old Yeager’s, yes the nephew of Chuck Yeager and also a war fighter pilot, were able to catch a whole mess of fish during an afternoon half day trip this Spring. I like my customers to fish, this is a great style of fishing, even for children! There are times when the anchor up guys catch more Redfish however they haven’t let their customers touch a rod other than to hand them the rod and reel when the fish is on. Now don’t get me wrong there are days when that is productive and I’m forced into that type of routine also, however the good catch on those days are limits of Reds and a couple of Drum maybe…Shrimp and Popping cork good days are limits of Reds, near limits of Trout with maybe a huge Trout RELEASED, a couple of Drum and a ton of fish in between!
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Now this is going to get the attention of any stray lure aficionados reading this, consistently successful Shrimp and Popping cork fishing is more technical than any lure I know! Here are some of the things I have learned over the years of doing one of my favorite styles of guided fishing:

Corks – I predominantly use Cajun Thunders, however on deeper reefs Rattle Corks work well. On lighter wind days the old Mansfield Mauler could be and option too. I even save old corks for those days that the Redfish don’t want a lot of sound!

Colors – I always start with two primary colors, pink and chartreuse. Most of the time you will find Redfish like one and not the other and the same for Trout…however they may be hitting both or you can select the color depending on when you are fishing an area more conducive to the fish you expect to catch.

Leader – Easy, I use only 20# fluorocarbon! The leader length when fishing the flats should be just above the grass you are drifting over, I keep varying lengths available to change on the fly. Leader lengths are increased when fishing the deeper bay which I seldom do using this style of fishing.

Hooks - #2 or #4 laser sharp trebles depending on the shrimp size. I have found smaller to medium size shrimp work better than the big ones. The larger shrimp do not work under a popping cork, you might as well save them as an appetizer with the corn battered Trout!

Knots – Use an improved clinch knot from the line to the cork. Do not use a snap swivel, it makes the cork lay over! I use a loop knot to the bottom of the cork for quick changing leader lengths and loop knots to the treble hook for more realistic movement.

Accessories - Beads are a VERY important part and sometimes not a part of the rig all together! The general rule of thumb is to start with small beads on most of the rigs and at least one rig without a bead. Really make sure your buddy’s is fishing the bait properly before ruling out any package! Sometimes going to a larger bead when the water is very muddy or stirred up makes a difference!

Now that the terminal gear has been laid out it is time to talk about presentation! The cast should be made in an arch and as the cork is floating down flip the bail on the reel over by hand to make a softer presentation – pop the cork once or twice immediately after it hits the water…did I say immediately…I meant it…I believe that is a major key to being effective! I start out the day by popping the cork (learn to pop it WITHOUT moving it toward the boat) in about 5 second intervals on windy days pop it more! Remember that even on windy days Redfish may not like a lot of popping so alternate presentation to find what works.

This style of fishing isn’t like bobber fishing for perch, so the perfected Bass angler hook set (Bill Dancing) is worthless here! The proper way to set the hook is to:
1) Hold the rod at 10 O'clock during the retrieve (only making up the line as boat drifts to the cork)
2) Drop the rod tip when the cork goes down
3) Reel up to set the hook
4) When you feel the weight of the fish firmly lift the rod back to the 10 O’clock position

If you follow the actions listed above you will get fish in the box! You'll also want to learn to stop the bait within a couple of feet if you don't feel the weight of the fish and pop the cork if it comes back to the surface, you don’t want to keep reeling the bait out of the strike zone! Remember the retrieve is a steady reeling, if you let slack get in then try to catch up you will not even come close to realizing your potential catch at the end of the day!

In closing remember that nothing about fishing is set in stone, pay attention, vary your approach and find what works! If fishing gets slow after a couple of good catches I find that the angler gets a little pumped and is working the cork faster than before the hook ups! In an additional note let’s not over look popping cork and piggies on the occasional early summer day! Use the same popping cork rig but instead of a treble use an appropriate size kahle hook! This can be an incredible way to fish when nobody else has had a good bite, keep the bait fresh, they don’t last long casting under a cork (expensive but effective)!

I hope you’ve enjoyed this article and remember if you don’t eat it release it and try to release all big Trout…get a picture it will last longer, save some for the kids!

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Thanks for taking the time and writing a nice detailed post on this.
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We use the Cajun Thunder corks, bot have never used fluoro, beads or treble hooks.

Our rig consist of the cork, 2'-3' of 20lb mono and a Eagle Claw Nickle plated Lazer sharp #1 Kahle hook.

Tie the hook on with a Palomar and tie a small surgeons loop on the other end to attach loop to eye of the corl.
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I'm not sure but I believe in Fl you cannot use trebles with live bait
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Thanks for the compliments!
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ive fished in florida for a long time and i have never heard of not being able to use treble hooks with live bait, tommy. is this an inshore reference or are you reffering to all florida waters including near shore?
Prime example for trebles w/ live bait is in king tourneys slow trolling/drifting live pogies or cigar minnows we use trebles as stinger hooks.
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If you look at the regs there are little "T"s next to the species you aren't supposed to catch with natural bait and multiple hook setups. Most are inshore species. Kings don't have a "T" so you can use a multiple hook rig and natural bait when targeting them.
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again with the stupid regulations, why does it matter if you catch a fish with a treble hook or a "J" hook , the fish is still gets a hook in the mouth!
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Thems the rules. I don't know why the Florida regs are like that.

Guys in NW Florida have been fishing that same exact rig with a jig/grub combo for years and have caught a lot of trout.

If you took the rig above and replaced the trebble with an Owner Aki 3/0 and used your live shrimp you would be 'cooking with gas' too.

Good idea about the bead on the leader, I have never fished a cork with a bead on the leader but I don't see why it wouldn't work. I have fished with a bead on the mainline to protect the eyelet from the wire on that cork when landing a nice fish.

Good article.
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Our rig consist of the cork, 2'-3' of 20lb mono and a Eagle Claw Nickle plated Lazer sharp #1 Kahle hook.
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The reason why treble hooks are not allowed for certain species is that the survival rate for hooked but undersized fish is too low.
Reef fishing must only be done with non offset circle hooks.
They are best way to ensure undersized fish survive.
The next step is to have nonbarbed hooks.
Fish stocks everywhere are being depleted and undersized fish and out of season fish are still being caught and released but not enough survive.
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All good comments guys!
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Treble hooks? Used them for years. Got away from them and haven't been sorry for a single minute.

I use a #2 kahle, plain old 20# mono, 1/4oz split shot, barrel swivel, with a super plain old clip on wieghted rattling poppin cork. No beads, no fancy loops.

I can remove the poppin cork so I can fish the bottom with the same rig. Also a clip on cork can be adjusted to different depths.

Works for me.
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