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Old 12-12-2008, 11:34 AM   #1
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Has anyone seen this clip, or have this DVD??

Sick! I wanna go to Mexico..

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INCOMING !, HIT THE DECK !! nice clip, thanks nope never seen it.
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Old 12-12-2008, 01:20 PM   #3
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Great clip, but I have fished mexico for 6 years now and blue marlin are a rarity there. you hear alot about them but in reality most of them are dead because they are never released in mexico.
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5 more feet and you would here a MAYDAY!!!!!
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Old 12-12-2008, 06:01 PM   #5
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That's capt Josh he is the real deal, I read the article about this in Marlin a while ago. There was also a pic in Marlin and Sport Fishing of a HUGE Black Marlin that they released way over 1,000. Did you see the pics of some of the yellowfin !! I'd love to get down there some day and fish with him.
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:51 PM   #6
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You guys need to get in touch with real fishermen. We are raising fish like these daily. Where are you?

Capt. Chris
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:55 PM   #7
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capt. chris,
keep your BS for your BS fishing show. I have run boats in CR for many seasons and yes they have blue marlin down there but you may see one every 4 or 5 days. You guys are a bunch of self promoters and that is it. I saw the condition of your old boat and it was shameful. thank god you got a commercial rig this time.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:39 AM   #8
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Sanchoco,

With all due respect and no intention to get into one of those Internet wars that I simply don't involve myself in, I have to take exception to your remarks about blue marlin being both rare and "never released" in Mexican waters.

Several years ago a very good friend of mine, David Brackmann and his brother Mark, who own the 40 plus Cabo "Caliente" being run out of Picante when they and their family aren't in their place in Cabo, did the following. Mark Brackmann won top Pacific Blue Marlin Release Angler in either the Billfish Foundation or AFTCO Tag & Flag competition, I forget which. David took second place top release captain in the category. I forget how many fish they caught and released, but the number wasn't shabby and it was accomplished in one week of fishing in August.

A few years ago, again in August, we caught and released twenty-eight big marlin, all blues and mostly large females, along with one big black in only seven consecutive days of fishing off of Cabo. We caught a lot a striped marlin and sails and two very large yellowfin tuna and some wahoo during that week, but I am not counting them. We always had a published, strict no-kill policy on all marlin and sails on my boat. Day swords and spearfish were fair game, but we even had one angler, Howard Lambert, take a nice sword and release another nice one the same day.

Along with all of the other blues we released that year, we might have been solidly in the running for the release contests, but I never bothered with them and besides, I do not tag marlin and I believe that is a requirement. Such contests do not matter a damn to me, but releasing healthy billfish does.

There are many gringo privateers who release any and all marlin, except in tournaments, and some, like the Brackmanns, won't fish kill marlin tournaments at all, but it is true that many Mexican "Jalopy cruisers" kill many striped marlin and every blue or black that they catch. The claims about the fish going to "needy families" are b.s. to make the tourists that okay the kills feel better. The vast majority of the dead fish are sold. "Killing the goose that laid the golden egg", yes, but the low end operations still do it and are allowed to do it, the latter being a real shame, but of course I have no say in the matter. It is strictly Mexican business, no matter what I think.

The quality Mexican/gringo fleets have a very good record of releasing non-tournament blues and blacks. This includes Picante, Minerva's, Pisces, Renegade Mike, and the Checkmate fleets (sorry if I missed any with good blue and black marlin release records. Some who claim to belong to that group absolutely don't). Those top fleets also own and run the kind of big gear and real fighting chairs or the right standup gear, etc. that it takes to go after big marlin in a way that respects the size of those fish and that represents a good possibility of landing and releasing them in a reasonable amount to time and in good shape.

Here too, it is sad that the low end boats, who can't afford or for whatever reasons don't have the right gear are free to fish in the summer and fall months, when the big girls are around. About all that an angler on one of those boats can hope for is a fish that swallows a big live bait, dives down and dies, and is slowly hand lined back up by crew while the "angler" sits in a poor excuse for a big game fighting chair and winds up slack when told to by the guy doing the handlining. Many of the biggest of these fish are lost and the ones that are "caught" represent something far less than actually landing a grand fish like a blue or black one that the angler should be ashamed, not proud of IMHO.

Puerto Vallarta is another place with a substantial population of big blue and black marlin during certain times of the year. Years ago we sometimes joined little fleets that ran there. Our targets were the marlin, not the big tunas. PV wound up with a great reputation as a big blue and black marlin venue as a result of those trips. Nowadays the marlin are mostly overshadowed by the big yellowfin hunting crowd, more than a few of whom consider a big marlin nothing more than an entertaining, or maybe even annoying by-catch. That is quite understandable, considering that area's world record yellowfin potential, but the blue and black marlin are there, and there in good numbers, and some of them get truly huge.

The biggest threat of them all to Mexican blue and black marlin is the same one that is wiping them and many other fish species out around the world - the damned longliners. They are rampant in Mexico. Plus, the massive tuna purse seiner fleets (most of the world's true super seiners are now owned and operated by Mexican interests) are not only decimating the formerly abundant tunas, they are taking every blue marlin that they wrap while netting the tunas, especially when wrapping the smaller ones that the blues are often mixed in with and feeding on. That is a worldwide problem that has to be addressed by each individual nation, which pretty much dooms the fish as far as I can see.

Viva las marlina's grandes y Mexico lindo y mi hermanos Mexicano!
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:55 PM   #9
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thanks for all the great fishing reports. I too have had great fishing in all kinds of places in the world. what I was talking about is day in day out fishing. Every place in the world has good weeks and good years but year to year the top boats in cabo release what 50 blues and or blacks. they fish like 200 days a year. yea there are good weeks that look great when you take them by them self. I also don' want to argue but I fish in Mexico year to year as well as other areas and fishing is declining all over and the problem is not just long liners. The fleet in Baja and Mainland Mexico kill their share of fish as well. We will never bring fish populations back without admitting that we are part of the problem. All you need to do is walk around the docks and see the dead fish being brought in on the swim steps of the boats. Yes, there are fleets that are all release and promote it but I still see dead marlin on the swim steps of their boats. Seeing the dead fish is the proof, I don't care what the promotion is. My observations are not second hand I see the dead fish with my own eyes.

when I get back to Cabo after the holidays I will start posting the photos of dead fish on the dock or swim steps.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:22 PM   #10
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I here ya it's a proven fact: if you are dead you can not F (I mean reproduce).
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