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Old 12-11-2008, 01:19 PM   #1
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Is there any wrong or right way to crimp sleeves? We usually crimp 250-400 lb mono when fishing for grouper or Aj's so if they make that run into the rig legs we can drag them out. Haven't had any fail on us yet but just had to ask.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:53 PM   #2
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Yes there is a right and a wrong way although you may only find out on the one fish that you really don't want to lose. Here's a short article that I wrote on correct crimping techniques. I hope it helps a little.

http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtech...echniques.html
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:55 PM   #3
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dont crimp all the way across the sleeve, just in the middle, leave the ends of the sleeve flared up,
helps prevent it from chaffing all the way through
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:11 PM   #4
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The article is good. One other thing I will add is that if you can use the heavy wall double barrell crimps, they are less prone to over crimping and therefore more error proof. I have found that they collapse to the proper amount and then it is very very hard to compress them beyond that point. The regular brass double barrell are much easier to over crimp and cause a significant decrease in breaking strength.

Food for thought.

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Old 12-11-2008, 02:58 PM   #5
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Use the correct size crimps for the size of line.. I like to use two crimps when possible, always melt the end, and squeeze hard with a inexpensive hand crimper in the middle of the crimp, not the edges. I use this method for deep-dropping and pulling a spread. Go gettem!!
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Old 12-11-2008, 03:17 PM   #6
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Yes the correct size crimps is very important. The crimp should just be big enough for the line to fit through. This year I grabbed the wrong size crimp (thought I was using 150lb leader and I had 130lb) on our planer line and when the fish hit tripped the planer with about 30lbs of drag, the line pulled out of the crimps. The crimp was still on the line with the tag end hanging loose. I was so pissed at myself. Probably would have held if it was a normal trolling line with only about 15lbs of drag at strike, but with the high drag due to the planer, it really jerked the line out of the crimp.

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Old 12-11-2008, 05:17 PM   #7
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If you want to have some fun, suspend some heavy weight with your leaders so you can look at the line and the crimp. I used a power rack at a gym- nylon rope around the rack with a carabiner, then a swivel to the leader, another swivel and carabiner to rope and weights. I was surprised at how much the leader stretches before it breaks and how thin it gets from stretching. I second the motion for melting the tip of the line into a ball because (assuming you don’t knick the leader when you crimp it) it will get so thin it’ll just slip right through the crimp, but the ball will stop it. Good luck. chip.
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Old 12-11-2008, 05:24 PM   #8
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Is that your website that you wrote the article on? And yes thanks that was helpful to me. Thanks for everyone else responses. Guess we've been lucky so far!
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Yes the correct size crimps is very important. The crimp should just be big enough for the line to fit through. This year I grabbed the wrong size crimp (thought I was using 150lb leader and I had 130lb) on our planer line and when the fish hit tripped the planer with about 30lbs of drag, the line pulled out of the crimps. The crimp was still on the line with the tag end hanging loose. I was so pissed at myself. Probably would have held if it was a normal trolling line with only about 15lbs of drag at strike, but with the high drag due to the planer, it really jerked the line out of the crimp.

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20# difference? You may need to use a little more pressure when crimping?
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:01 PM   #10
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Yes the correct size crimps is very important. The crimp should just be big enough for the line to fit through. This year I grabbed the wrong size crimp (thought I was using 150lb leader and I had 130lb) on our planer line and when the fish hit tripped the planer with about 30lbs of drag, the line pulled out of the crimps. The crimp was still on the line with the tag end hanging loose. I was so pissed at myself. Probably would have held if it was a normal trolling line with only about 15lbs of drag at strike, but with the high drag due to the planer, it really jerked the line out of the crimp.

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20# difference? You may need to use a little more pressure when crimping?
You may want to look at the different in size of the crimps needed between the 2 lines.....about .3mm, which can make a big difference on a sudden jerk of a very high force. It was not the lack of crimping force used....plus overcrimping to compensate for a oversize crimp is not the right answer. I recrimped with the right crimps (yes I am very careful with my crimping....I am anal when it comes to details) and a 40lb wahoo hit it and everything worked perfect.

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Is that your website that you wrote the article on? And yes thanks that was helpful to me. Thanks for everyone else responses. Guess we've been lucky so far!
Yes that's my site. I'm glad the article helped.
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Why crimp 100-130# when you can tie an 80% knot and not have to worry?

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:29 PM   #13
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over the winter we always do some tests we take our 300lbs flouocarbon leaders and make acouple leaders and pull them until they break you want them to break in the middle or anywere but on the crimp if that works you can be confident that a fish is not going to break it. if breaks on crimp you over crimped or wrong size crimp
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Why crimp 100-130# when you can tie an 80% knot and not have to worry?
Because I don't like to tie knots, especially in heavy mono/flouro. My crimp breaking strength is better than my knot breaking strength. I have much more confidence in my crimping than my knot tying in heavy lines.
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:34 PM   #15
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Spike,

Great job on the rigging info! It's the best that I have ever seen (outside of my books, which cover them in great detail too) on the Internet. It's all there. Fine job!
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:59 PM   #16
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Why crimp 100-130# when you can tie an 80% knot and not have to worry?
Show me your knot against a proper crimp in 130 lb mono, then I'll start believing...Smartass

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Old 12-13-2008, 09:08 PM   #17
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A good article about crimps and breaking strength
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/techn...imps-6037.html
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:59 AM   #18
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you will have a pretty hard time f'ing up 400# test in a crimp...lol
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Spike, what a great, straight forward informative article, I learned some things, thanks!
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:38 PM   #20
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For whatever it's worth, I've done some very unscientific tests with crimping 80 to 150 lb test and found that with a basic hand crimper and double barrel sleeves, it is pretty much impossible to overcrimp. The only failure I ever saw was when I undercrimped. Otherwise, the line never broke at the crimp.
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