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Old 12-10-2008, 06:25 AM   #1
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I had a tough time last time i went fishing getting the baits to drag properly. I was using rigged ballyhoo, 2 naked and 2 on a skirt. For some reason the baits kept spinning out of control and the tails were slapping on top of the water. Didn't have any luck catching anything with this problem.

Anyone have an suggestions on fixing this problem????
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Yeah, three potential problems.

1) your hook wasn't placed on the center line and was causing drag to one side which would spin the bait

2) your bait wasn't properly secured to your tackle at the nose of the bait. If the bait was being pulled through the water with all of the tension on the hook, the bait will spin. How were you securing the bait to the tackle? Did you use a pin and rubber band......copper rigging wire ......... nose spring and pin method?

3) the hook was placed too far back in the body of the bait. If that happens you can cut a small slit in front of the hook to stop the spinning.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:03 AM   #3
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all good things to check in the post above. Also get a local charter mate to show you how to break the back on the ballyhoo. if you don't do this the bait is rigid and has a tendency to spin. If you hold the head of the bait and move it side to side like it is swimming the boat should move like a snake not like a stick(stiff).

Where are you fishing? I may have some friends close by that can help you with that.
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:28 AM   #4
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1. Break the back in about 2 or 3 spots and flex it being sure not to rub off a lot of scales.
2. Make sure the hook is centered properly.
3. Trim off side fins ( the ones right beside the gills) with a pair of scissors <-- many times this causes the spinning.
4. With the baits coming out the water thats ok.... but make sure you aren't running too fast of a troll or maybe use a little heavier head in front (like a 1oz sea witch)
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Old 12-10-2008, 09:58 AM   #5
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All good rigging replies--- Maybe you are trolling to fast ?
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I had a tough time last time i went fishing getting the baits to drag properly. I was using rigged ballyhoo, 2 naked and 2 on a skirt.

Anyone have an suggestions on fixing this problem????
Bought rigged ... ?
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:10 AM   #7
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Some guys also remove the eyes as they can bulge differently causing some spin. I agree with the fins too, remove them.
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Also make sure you break off the front of the beak.
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Number one problem:
The hook is placed to far back causing the ballyhoo to be an a arched shape instead of a straight line. It will spin everytime. It is better to short hook the ballyhoo instead of trying to place the hook to far back in the bait. Line twist city!!....... Mark
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I had a tough time last time i went fishing getting the baits to drag properly. I was using rigged ballyhoo, 2 naked and 2 on a skirt. For some reason the baits kept spinning out of control and the tails were slapping on top of the water. Didn't have any luck catching anything with this problem.

Anyone have an suggestions on fixing this problem????
Yeah, don't buy them from Baitmasters.
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If that fails try the pirate plugs from South Chatam Tackle . Puts a good action on the ballyhoo and amost impossible to rig it to spin .
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:19 PM   #12
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We don't have spinning problems. But we do have issues with the bait riding on it's side. Drives me nuts. It either swims perfectly a few seconds, then lays over 90d onto it's side a few seconds, then back swimming perfectly. Or... it just rides on it's side almost the whole time. I guess we're going out one day and just do some trial runs with different setups to see if we can get rid of this problem.

Let's see... heavy 3 oz head with 2 oz egg sinker/heavy 3 oz head only/3 oz head with 1/2 oz egg sinker/3 oz head with 1.5 oz egg sinker/2 oz head with no egg sinker added/pin rig with rubber band/no pin and use monel. Regardless, we're still getting the bait laying over on it's side. We always get the poop out and break the back. Normally use pin and two rubber bands snugged down pretty darn tight, so I don't think it''s pulling on the hook. We did have to slit one or two over the last couple of trips, just to be sure the hook wasn't pulling. Using 11/0 Owner or 11/0 Mustad 7691 tuna hooks. Always centered. No arch, although it was so rough Sunday I admit one I rigged was arched. And I think it actually ran better than the others! But we know... no arch.

One thing I believe is happening is the egg sinker is sitting too far back and it's positioned under one or the other of the gill plates. That pushes out one gill plate just a touch, and that acts like a wing, causing it to go onto it's side. We definitely saw that the bait ran better with no egg sinker at all. But I think moving the sinker forward would solve that problem. But then you'd need to use a bigger loop when rigging. Which is another question... large loop with the leader only going through the sinker once, on the bottom of the loop? Or as tight a loop as you can make, including the sinker? Tight to the hook eye with the crimp, then monel on the egg sinker seperately?

All this is using jumbo size bally. Have not trimmed the pec fins, but will start doing so. Most of them are back and not a problem. But some do go forward.

Guess we just need to keep trying different things to see if we can find one that keeps it up and down instead of on it's side.

Suggestions?
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:23 PM   #13
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Contender, so where do you buy yours? I had a ranking at one point of all the bait companies. Not sure I still have it. But Baitmasters was ranked right up there near the top. Not at the top. But close. And they ship to NC. Sort of a long trip down to Fla just to get bait!
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Bait masters has good bait, its their rigged baits that usually spin for me. I'm lucky living here in south FL. I can net my own Ballyhoo. 3 or 4 throws of the cast net and I have more than I know what to do with. If for some reason I do have to buy bait, I buy unrigged from Baitmasters and rig it myself. No one brand of natural bait is going to be better than the other. I have been to Bionic's facility and Baitmaster's facility. They both have a table with a row of Hatians that don't speak English and have never been fishing rigging bait. I personally don't want to rely on that for what may be a trophy fish.
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We buy all our baits from baitmasters and never have a problem with them. We only buy unrigged hoos but they seem to be the best out of all the brands we have used over the years. We had very few that washed out in our last three case order. Mark
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JB2C: ...... use a smaller chin weight like a 1/4 if you are having trouble getting the gills to lay down, especially using a rubberband around the beak. Then put a heavier weight in front on the witch, not on the baits chin. That or keep the heavier weights and use rigging wire to wrap, starting with the hook eye through the bait's eyes and then all the way up the beat being sure to catch the gills and secure them to the body. I use 1/4 and wire if I'm fishing J's. I also put the crimp on first, pass the line through the weight, through the hook, back through the inside of the weight and then back up to the crimp, oftentimes I have to drill out the inside just a touch for the leader to pass through there twice.


Worst case scenario: If you just can't rig a "j" hook bait, rig some hoo's with floss and just use a circle hook, they'll definately swim true as long as you break the back, deturd, clip the side fins, and remove the eyes. I've even pulled skirts in front by putting it on the line before tying on the circle.
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Well, I'm trying to use heavier weighted baits to keep them down. I think they start riding up behind a planer if they don't have some weight to them. But I'm thinking the heavier 3 oz heads should be enough by themselves. Has anyone tried to just run a 1 to 2 oz weight on the line right behind the Islander? Just sort of slide it down onto the beak. Then maybe a crimp and a bead ahead of it to keep it from sliding up and down the leader. Seems that should work.

I'm not crazy on the idea of running the leader through the weight twice. Seems it would be twice as likely to chafe the line on the sinker. We check our sinkers for burrs, but still seems like with a long fight, it's one more thing that could go wrong.

Contender, Mark, we also have Baitmasters. Can't recall the other company or two that I've heard is better. But I think the problem was they would only ship in larger quantities to a dealer. I wouldn't think of ordering rigged from them. I suspect our rigs look as good as 95% of the others out there. I'm probably just being nit picky. I've been told, and agree, that the jumbos are harder to get swimming perfectly than the smaller sizes are. But it drives me nuts when I see them swim up on their side.

Well, guess I'll be spending a day out on the boat, inside the inlet when it's too rough to get out and fish. Play around with different ballyhoo rigs. And practicing the harpoon throwing!
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JB,
Try doing a bare split bill. That is my favorite if I am running it plain with no skirt. They swim like they are possessed!! If you are running the Hoos with Islanders leave the bill about 3/4" long and you will notice it will fit nicely into the head of the lure. Make sure you line the eyes up with the eyes of the head on the islander. Have you done any good on the GBFT's?...Mark
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If that doesn't fix your spinning ballyhoo, nothing will. Good info guys! [img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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what are you fishing for w/ 11/0 hooks?
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