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How many have caught a tagged striper and also tag their catches.* I caught a keeper in 1996*off of Portsmouth NH and it was tagged in the Hudson River on 05/11/1992.* It is cool when you get the certificate and a hat for sending it in to the tagging program.They sent 2 tagging kits which I have not used to date but think I might try this year.
I've caught three with tags so far, two in the same day with NYS DEC tags, and one with an American Littoral society tag.* They were all small fish as I recall, about 26".* Got a hat from the DEC!!
I was catching a lot of stripers last summer in the Cape Fear River, so I emailed the Commission and asked for some tags. The fish in the river are escapees from Jordan Lake and I was interested to see if these stocked fish would go to the ocean and return to spawn in the spring. But the commission wouldn’t give me any tags, saying the fish are pretty stressed in the summer and tagging them would increase mortality. I suspect they don’t want to know their hatchery fish are spawning with wild fish though, and that may have influenced their decision. That’s the reason they quit stocking hybrids in Jordan- some researchers saw them spawning with wild pure bred stipers! chip.
i am involved with a bunch of guys from another site that have contributed to the electronic acoustic tagging program Rutger's University is doing in Jersey.. you can name & track your striper on line at their website... very cool program.. read about it at www.stripertracker.org.
I have also caught a couple of Littoral Society stripers over the years and have a problem with the program.. frankly, although the research is one of the deepest data base programs available, the tags themselves,, in many cases inserted in the fish improperly by untrained, unsupervised, well intentioned fisherman, cause major damage to the fish.. fish I have seen have had all sorts of vegetation and crud hanging on them, in many cases migrating right inside of the fish through the tags insertion point...
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FM TUNA, I agree with the Littoral Society tags, piece of crap!!!!! I also asked the NCDNR about tagging and got the same answer as Chip as to why they weren't doing the program anymore. The Littoral tags didn't impress me and I saw the same potential for injury that you mentioned so I never used any that they sent me. BOAT US has also stopped thier program so I don't know who is left. I guide on the Roanoke River when the stripers run so was looking to help the cause in any way I could, but couldn't find one I liked. I'll try Biff's contact and see what they look like and report back......................
Birdman, the fish may have you tagged, but I tell you what, if I was a fish that boat of yours would totally send me swimming in the other direction... that is one fine lookin fishing machine..
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I have to respectfully disagree with some of your thoughts as the the American Littloral Society.......
I have been tagging with them for 3 years now, and cannot say enough good things about the work they do. Their tagging system is quick and easy-without much of a learning curve. ANY TAG in the hands of an inexperienced tagger will do damage so this problem isn't unique to just ALS.
ps-If ALS is good enough for Captain Al Anderson (over 30,000 tagged fish) it's good enough for me.
ballen I have to respectfully dissagree with you on the American Littoral Society. They stood in the way of the Subway Cars being used for reef projects in New Jersey. They are aligned with the wacko Save the Barnegat Bay left wing marsh grass huggers. They support the Pew report that will ultimately deprive you from fishing. They are against beach replenishment programs. The ALS has joined with the wacko enviro-green, save the snail-darter mentality. Sorry they don't get my support. By the way I have an envelope full of yellow ALS spagetti tags. I do agree tagging programs have merit. I am just afraid the ALS will use the data against us. I would suggest anyone interested in coastal regulations learn more about the ALS, Pew, and the wacko Save the Barnegat Bay type groups. I live on the water, I am an environmentalist, I own boats and yes the dreaded jet skis. I make my living selling high tech scientific equipment that is used by the US EPA, State Health Labs in NJ, NY, PA, DE and MD, almost every producer of drinking water in these states for the protection of the you the general public. I am very aware of the environment and what pollutes. I just can not get into agreement with these folks who want to give the land back to the fish and birds. As an example, Save the Barnegat Bay stood in the way of our lagoon dredge project even after we recieved local, State and Federal approval. In fact we were the first local dredge project that recieved State funds to accomplish the project. If the inlet was not dredged over 80 homes worth over 60 million dollars would have been cut off from the Bay. The lagoons would have become stagnate pools, and the homes almost worthless. Sorry these guys are wackos and anyone associated with them is the same in my opinion. Get educated and than argue your position.
First of all, the topic was about tagging programs and I happen to think that ALS has a very good one. Secondly, I find it amusing that a) you assumed that I am one of those “left wing marsh grass huggers” as you so eloquently described them and b) I am uneducated.
In response to your talking points:
1. ALS is not opposed to artificial reefs. They are opposed to artificial reefs that may pollute the environment. There is a big difference. Also, what’s the point of putting all that time, energy and money into a project that will give you a reef for maybe 10-15 years before they rust away?
2. Obviously the Barnegat Bay issue is very close to home for you and I can understand your frustration although I’m not sure that dredging in order to ensure that “over 80 homes worth over 60 million dollars” don’t become worthless is the greatest reason for it either.
3. Regarding the “save the snail-darter” and “I just can not get into agreement with these folks who want to give land back to the fish and birds” comments. I will be the first to acknowledge that many environmental groups take things WAY too far, but when I read comments like that I can’t help but think that type arrogant, the-earth-is-here-for-the-use-of-man attitude is what got us into many of the messes we find ourselves today.
4. As far as the Pew report......you want to keep you head stuck in the sand, go right ahead.
Thanks for your response. We probably agree on more things than we dissagree; but as for the Pew Report I guess I will keep my head in the sand. That report calls for "NO FISHING ZONES". Plus an outright attack on coastal communities. Already huge areas in CA have been set aside as NO FISHING ZONES. Sorry the recreational fisherman has not caused the over fishing problem for one saltwater fishery. May I suggest you have your head someplace already; but it is not the sand.
You're right-I don't think either of us are coming from vastly different places. Regarding the Pew Report, I see it like this-don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I totally agree that some of the recommendations, especially the "no fishing zones", are bad news. That being said, we are still faced with a major problem-I find it hard to look past their findings just because I don't agree with some of their proposed solutions.
ps-You aren't the first and you certainly won't be the last person to accuse my of having my head up there.
Ok, this sounds like fun!!! I know nothing about the subject matter, and what you guys are talking/arguing/fighting over, but I would still love to get involved in the argument and enjoy some of the fun.
Please advise on how how I may be able to get in on the conversation?
I relly love the "Left Wing Grass huggers..." stuff!!!
Ben,
I like you. I am probably older and have gotten real millitant in my old age. Just Cranky!!If someone wants to keep me from fishing, or owning a gun or other stuff like that I will try to get them under the wheels with my Sunset Orange H2. You see I am also trying use up all the curde in the middle east so we can stop dealing with them. Several years ago I would not join the RFA because they were trying to deal, live with, negoiate with the commerical side of fishing. After a few years they learned had to drive there own bargains. I feel the same way about Pew or any other group that tries to get between me and the fish. Yes the baby goes out with the bathwater. That keeps things real simple. You are either with me or against me. Ofcourse you know I just hate the NMFS or NF or what ever they changed their name to. They still are totally controlled by the commerical sector. Bought and paid for. If I was Hogarth I could not sleep at night. I bet he sleeps like a baby. If more folks would take an active interest in who and how the regulations are made we would not be worrying if NY was going to be allowed to fish for 3 fluke 18.5 inches this year. The commerical guys can keep them at 14 inches and damn near as many as they want. I say piss-off. Call a complete shutdown to the commerical side for just two years and would have all the fluke we need. Or even better yet turn the tables and make the split 60-40 recreational the way it should be.
Gottcha. I like you too! I look forward to our next friendly exchange. Keep fighting the good fight.
ps-My feeling is the first step to successful stock recovery involves eliminating all indescriminant fishing methods (i.e draggers, trawlers, gill nets, long lines). I'm not holding my breath.
fmTuna, how often are you notified on your fish? for instance, do they tell you where it is every week, month, etc? and what other info are you given on the fish?
I was looking on the site but did not find any answers
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