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"Avet claims they'll do 20#'s of drag measured at strike, and still offer GREAT freespool performance for casting. We've tested them, they perform as stated."
i'm told that it's supposed to be the size of a 4/0 narrow. i would be looking at a 60# topshot and up to 24#'s of drag. that leaves avet behind the curve again, compared to accurate. 20#'s might not be enough. at least the avet is a little cheaper. i have slowly come to realize that these newer monofilaments can handle drag settings of up to 40% and still perform well. some even 50%.
__________________ eddie's brother, grady white 258 journey
"Avet claims they'll do 20#'s of drag measured at strike, and still offer GREAT freespool performance for casting. We've tested them, they perform as stated."
i'm told that it's supposed to be the size of a 4/0 narrow. i would be looking at a 60# topshot and up to 24#'s of drag. that leaves avet behind the curve again, compared to accurate. 20#'s might not be enough. at least the avet is a little cheaper. i have slowly come to realize that these newer monofilaments can handle drag settings of up to 40% and still perform well. some even 50%.
Are you actually testing mono braking stengths before and after stretching them?
You might want to wait a bit if you are looking for more drag as its my understanding Avet is working on a 2 high speed 50 for coming tighter on kite slack faster.
I agree with Alan. The Hoo-X is a very nice part. But you can get superior performance out of the Accurate 270, 870 and 665 and fish the Hi test berkley. It will be a good 50 pound reel. I also think it will make more than 20 lbs of drag, the ones i have handled are quite nice. They just need the old spectra on the hitchball treatment!
__________________ "a doughnut is only one step above a rent rod"
Avet "Hoo-X" HX5/2 is a HOT reel... It would be perfect for kite fishing sails, huge line capacity with spectra... Bullet proof !
I broke 2 Accurate 870's last year, both fighting big fish... The drags seized-up on both of them... Accurate replaced the bearing in both reels, and blamed the breakdowns on poor maintenance. Cost me $150.00
I take care of my gear, so the maintenance excuse is BS
I have been fishing this reel for the last 2 weeks, going to fish a tournament again this week with it. So far, I LOVE it. There are many benefits to this reel over the LX for kings, sails, etc. Even though it's a 5.4:1 retrieve, it's very fast, 4 feet of line per crank. This is due to the reel's height, when compared to the others. The progressive drag adjustment and the push button to FULL feature is right on the money. Now all I need is this reel in a single speed version. I am fishing this reel with 20 LB Test Sufix mono and 40 LB Test Sufix Invisiline leader (about 20 yards) I tie right on to my rigs, so I keep cutting the leader as we go along, hence the length. I use mono in lieu of braid for this type of fishing, but the finer diameter of 20, allows more "fast retrieval" time with regards to spool diameter as line exits the reel. 50 LB braid would be even more, given the finer diameter. Given the method I use to fish for kings braided line = less hits, so I use the Sufix smoke blue mono.
I measured the drag on this reel at 26 LBS with a good free spool, but then again, I use it with an absolute max of 10 LBS, so the 26 is a mute point on this end.
I agree with Alan. The Hoo-X is a very nice part. But you can get superior performance out of the Accurate 270, 870 and 665 and fish the Hi test berkley. It will be a good 50 pound reel. I also think it will make more than 20 lbs of drag, the ones i have handled are quite nice. They just need the old spectra on the hitchball treatment!
The accurrates you claim are far superior in what way The drive train is much smaller in size so they don't have the leverage that this reel has At high speed and they don't bring in as much line in inches as this new reel Right now there is nothing in this class it is it's own class till Others build one like it
"The accurrates you claim are far superior in what way The drive train is much smaller in size so they don't have the leverage that this reel has At high speed and they don't bring in as much line in inches as this new reel Right now there is nothing in this class it is it's own class till Others build one like it"
This is not pi$$ing contest. The accurates will make more usable drag (most likely, you say you are getting 27, others say 20) in a smaller package. I own 10 AVETs, I like them. I did not say that Accurate is "Far Superior". I said "superior performance" in an Accurate. (you will also pay twice as much, which probably doesnt pencil out) I stand by my statement. The accurate will deliver superior overall performance (say and 870 2-speed) than a AVET Hoo in my applications.
That is not to say that I wont buy a Hoo-X They are cool.
__________________ "a doughnut is only one step above a rent rod"
* i've found that the avet jx will deliver 15#at strike before developing so much axial load on the right main side plate bearing that turning the handle becomes increasingly more difficult. a similar sized accurate 870 will deliver 25#'s, maybe more. at least in my evaluation, that makes the accurate a superior reel to the avet.
* regarding drag failure, accurates also have a spool cap that can hold water in once the water gets past the cap. older reels with dry drags and a spool cap were the worst possible combination. accurate drag washers are now greased starting last summer. avets have a dry drag that is open. water gets in, water gets out. there is no spool cap to hold in the water. if you have an older avet that has a retaining ring to hold the drag washer in place, salt water will get in under the drag washer and accumulate. i strongly recommended greasing the drag washers in these older reels. once greased, i consider these drag systems to be equally good.
* regarding bearing failure, avet's bearings are sealed, accurate's bearings are shielded. there is a known, potentially very high, failure rate for both. in this regard, i would call avet and accurate equally bad.
* regarding the anti-reverse system in the smaller reels, failures for both reels are virtually unheard of. avet uses a more traditional dog system that clicks. newer accurates use a stack of two anti-reverse roller bearings. i would prefer a more traditional click, but they both seem to work fine.
for me, at least, accurate got the nod.
__________________ eddie's brother, grady white 258 journey
I have found the same on the JX, LX, and the 2 speed versions of each to have exactly 15 LBS of drag at STRIKE with Free Spool, max drag out of the box has been @ 23 + or - 1 The STRIKE is as per the specs on the reel, the max drag is somewhat higher than advertised. Avet doesn't claim a higher setting at strike with free spool, they engineered the reel to work as stated. I haven't had any type of failure with Avet, all of the reels that I own have served me well, and they have performed within their factory specs.
Here in the East coast we use the JX, LX, for medium duty saltwater. The MXs & SXs are favorites with some of the inshore guys and the Striper anglers. The LX is a favorite for kingfish on light drag. We use the 30s for heavier duty, wahoo, yft, etc. The 50s we use for swords and the big game end of the fishing spectrum. The narrow 30s make excellent bottom fishing reels, I don't bottom fish, but my customers that do, just love the 30 narrow 2 speed. I find the model selection in the Avet line very conducive for all of the different angling opportunities here on the east coast. I do feel that Avet needs to come up with an 80 LB Class reel, there are some situations where an 80 is a must, namely the larger Tunas of the east coast. The new HX is a great jigging reel, but if they ever make a single speed version of this reel, it is going to be very popular. Avet really needed the progressive click through drag adjustment, I wish all of the reels had this feature.
I have 2 80s, I opted for the 2 speed Duel 9/0s. I bought these because I like the 2 speed function of the Duel.
I have yet to fully understand the west coast reel applications. Personally I have fished in Cabo & Mazatlan, (going back in a month) The 30s and the 50s pretty much covered my needs the last time I was there. I am going to bring my 2 HXs for the YFTs, I think it will be nice to have a smaller, lighter reel for these.
What species do you guys use the SXs, MXs, LXs, and JXs, for?
Avet is coming out with a wide version on the Woo-X with a lighter #20 max drag, there will be a Wahoo on the side plate...
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doughnut - 6/8/2007 1:51 PM
"My Accurates are for sale... "
OK, PM me with price.
I just got my 870's fixed at Accurate yesterday, nice guys, decent customer service, but these reels have issues...
Both reels broke while I was on vacation in Florida fishing last year. Accurate fixed them for $$$... I used both reels 1 time and they both failed again...
Here is a list of replaced parts for both breakdowns
Reel #1
2 Boss Spool Bearing
1 Boss Mag Pinion Gear
2 Handle Arm Anti-Corrosion Washer
1 Boss Mag Pinion Gear
Reel #2
2 Boss Spool Bearing
1 tension Bearing
Accurate is aware of the issue these reels have. The Bearings bind on the shaft at heavy load causing failure. They claim it only exists on the 4.6:1 Mods...
If anyone has these reels you will know when the failure accures as the reel will not freespool, and when you turn the handle it sounds like a box-o-rocks...
Don't let Accurate tell you it is poor maintainence, like they told me the first time the reels were repaired, thats BS... It is a faulty design and they know it...
new Avet "Hoo-X" HX5/2 reel 
