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Old 04-25-2007, 06:49 PM
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I just spent the weekend in Houston, and was able to break away from the family reunion long enough to sprint thru a Bass Pro shop before my wife tackled me and drug me back to the barbeque.

I grabbed several Shimano butterfly jigs, a Williamson Benthos jig, some owner stinger hooks, along with a handful of other stuff.

I plan to try them out with a Penn 113H setup, presently spooled with PowerPro 40 lb. Is that reel going to be too slow? Any tips on using them? We dont have offshore platforms or wrecks with structure here, I was thinking of looking for mini "seamounts" where rocks and coral sticks up from the bottom. I know one spot where it comes from 70 ft. up to 40, for example.

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Yeah the penn will be too slow, you'd be better off with something like a torium, trinidad, calcuta or any other reel along those lines. I don't know what you are using for a rod but a shimano 7'6" medium heavy musky rod works very well as an alternative to the trevala butterfly rods, but you will definately want a faster reel to impart the right action on the jig along with the rod.
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I would try what you have first. What could it hurt?

What brand of boat is that you have? Looks really really nice!!!!

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The Penn not only is to slow but will blow up as soon as you get to catching fish on the jigs. I have five of the Trevala 5'8" heavy rods with Torium30's and 50# Power Pro. We smoke the tuna 30-100+ POUNDS. Once you start using these rods/reels & jigs you'll be hooked and will never look back. We even take Tilefish in 600ft of water. Your going to love-um! TIghtlines! Mty
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We used the Trevala rods with Trinidad 40n this past week those set up's are amazing we caught a 100 plus lb Reef Donkey these rigs and plenty of grouper to go around!
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Put the handle by the end hole and any thoughts of a Shamano will be a fleeting memory ...
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I would try what you have first. What could it hurt?

What brand of boat is that you have? Looks really really nice!!!!

Gary
Thanks. It's a new Andros Permit 22, just got it a few weeks ago. So far, its looking to be an ideal boat for our lifestyle and location.


Curmudgeon, do you mean move the crank arm in to the other hole to make it shorter?
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:05 PM
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I have a trevala rod and daiwa saltist high speed. Love the combo.
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:11 AM
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Okay, so the Toriums are fast enough, and the Saltist....any other fast reels out there suitable for butterfly jigs? I would like to get into it cheaply, to see how well it works in these waters. If its a good technique, then I dont mind sinking the money into the right gear. But I dont like investing all out in top notch stuff just to find out that its not useful where I live.

The prices on the toriums doesnt scare me off, but I might not be able to find one here and alternatives would be good to know.
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Certainly not cheap, but I bought an Avet SX 2-speed (6/4) married to a 6.5' Chaos 15-50 for butterfly jigging. My rationale is that where I fish there are lots of 60+ pound grouper and while I'd want the fast speed for working the jig, once hit and set, I'd need something with more balls to get the fish up the water column. Notice the future tense - I haven't put this theory into practice yet...
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Good point. There are so many grouper here its unbelievable. I hadnt thought of a specific fish to target, but Nassau Grouper would definitely be a good place to start.
Some of the locals:




every time I dive I see grouper, and catch them bottom fishing. But my hookah setup limits me to 60 ft. diving, so I dont know whats out there in 100+ ft.

Whats the least expensive reel you think would work?
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The Torium & Trevala rod with 50# power Pro line setup is cheap and very BALLSSSIEEEE! I have never had any size outfit kick an 80lb. YFT ass so fast! I now use the setup for chunking them at night. I stay with the products that work, if you put 80#PP on it for grouper, I think the setup would do great! Tightlines...
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Same setup here Steve55 (except that I got the MXJ 6/4).

But....all theory like you said

Torium 20 or 30 is the cheapest reel I can think of.
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two more lower budget reels to consider would be the Shimano Spheros 12000 or 14000 and the Quantum Cabo 60,70 or 80.
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Ok..I got a list together...Torium,Trinidad, Calcutta, Spheros, Cabo, Saltist.....gonna head down to the country's ONE tackle/marine supply and see what they might have in stock to get me through til my next trip to USA...
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just got back from shop. they have one Torium 30 at $ 250. Also had another Shimano thingum, looks kinda like a more plastic version of the Torium, I think it was called something like Speedmaster IV, with a 6:1 gear ratio. Didnt have a price on it, but compared to the Torium it felt like a toy.

No Trevala rods, although they have quite a selection (for here) of Ugly Sticks, BillFisher, and Penn rods. If I decide to go ahead with the Torium (ouch) what should I look for in a rod?
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Gringo,
Check out the penn Baja Special, I have 80# PP on mine with a 6.6' Shimano Tallus rods. Have caught Cobia to 50#
AJ's to 40# and YFT to 50. $350 for rod,reel & line.
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Why don't you just call Tackledirect @ 888-354-7335 ask for dave, tell him I sent you, he can ovenight you the Trevala 5'8" Heavy rod, the reel and the line loaded for a deal. He can ovenight it to ya...mty
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I second the Penn Baja Special (113HN) it has a 4.9:1 ratio, a narrow, solid aluminum frame, stronger drag, and is $150 some places on the net. PM me if you need details. That is the cheapest you will find a high speed reel with strong enough drag to fish 65-80# braided line that you will need for larger bottom dwellers in order to not be losing $20 jigs every 10 minutes. The 4.9 may not be as high as 6.2 or 6.3, but the spool is taller so it will still pull in line very quickly. Your standard red-side plated 113 H's speed is something like 3.8:1 at the most I think, and it is heavier and wider than the 113HN.
If money is no option, then look into a Torsa 20 or 30 (over $600!) or a Daiwa Saltiga 30T. Star drags are better for jigging near the bottom because of how far you can lock the drag down and how quickly you can engage the this full pressure on a fish, but you will blow up many cheaper star drags that can't stand the pressure from fishing braid at high drag (even some higher cost star drags do not have anti-reverse systems that can stand up to the pressures their own drags can go up to).
That being said, I use two speed Avets because I like their light weight and high speed with lower gear to winch in stupid AJ's, etc. If I was just getting into it, I would go with the Penn 113HN baja special on a Trevala 60-200# or 80-200# spooled with 65 or 80# braid. That puts you right at $300 for the combo, which is cheaper than a Trinidad or Saltiga on its own.
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